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lrisner 
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 Posted: Jul 12 2009 at 5:47pm |
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They actually have to temporarily De-Man the Apartment for their scheduled inspections. This is a common practice and I am sure the Inspectors are aware. Generally the "Man" provides little Luxury items like Cable to stay in good with the Lease Holder. |
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pattyinohio
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Thanks for your reply Pac Man I can see the problem with the HUD situation. I have a grandson who is a special needs adult (19 yrs old ) he's been waiting for a voucher for close to a year He get ssi and does not have alot of money for rent and section 8 would really help him. Its a shame it is abused because that makes it hard for the people who need it to be left without the help. i know of a case where a woman with kids has section 8 and her boyfriend works at ak and they live together, it abuses like this that need worked on but i don't ever see that happening anyway thanks for your info
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Pacman
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Posted: Jul 10 2009 at 11:03pm |
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Pattyinohio it is not the Section 8 program that is the problem it is the excessive amount of Section 8 that Middletown has. Middletown supposedly has 1662 Section 8 Vouchers assigned by HUD but has had up to 1698 in use in a given month. Supposedly Section 8 vouchers were supposed to be reduced to about 700-800 by the city by attrition but some say now the City has reneged on that statement To put it in perspective the last time I checked Middletown had 1 Section 8 voucher for every 31 residents and New York City had 1 for every 100 residents. Our Section 8 is excessive considering our Population in Butler County. We make up 15% of Butler County's residents yet have 60-70% of the Section 8 Vouchers. There is something wrong with the system and City leadership that permits this to happen.
No one is saying not to have Section 8 only that the numbers of Vouchers needs to be brought more in line with the Cities percentage of population in the county. The City also maintains a waiting list of 500 residents for its Section 8 vouchers and 22% of it's population lives below the poverty line. This much Section 8 and the large waiting list and the Public Housing numbers just adds up to a City with Socioeconomically way out of Balance.
As you can see by following the City Council meetings most of what council deals with is HUD, HUD, HUD. and 2-3 years just to get a new Section 8 admin contract. it is as if nothing else exists in the City but HUD, Section 8 and Poverty. The City deals with little else as the only funds they can get are Government HUD Funds.
There is more to Middletown than HUD, Section 8, HUD, Section 8, Poverty, unfortunately that is what Council focuses on.
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Posted: Jul 10 2009 at 10:18pm |
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$25 million slated for the county under revitalization and Middeltown is getting $19 million of it. Wonder how quickly that money will vanish into unknown places ? Why isn't Hamilton in trouble ? Isn't Hamilton bigger than Middeltown ? I never hear about the woes of Hamilton. |
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pattyinohio
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Posted: Jul 10 2009 at 9:29pm |
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Thanks for your reply. I had no idea there were that many section 8 houses in middletown., but until they get jobs in this town again i imagine the numbers will go up. I grew up in this town and hate to see it declinging.
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Smokey Burgess
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Posted: Jul 10 2009 at 8:33pm |
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Question: Are the anointed imaginary railroad engineers of the "HUD High Speed Passenger Train To Nowhere" really qualified to keep from running off of the tracks here in Middletown?
Millions of Federal funny money dollars are now at their disposal and it looks like they don't know how to apply the brakes to the runaway train??
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VietVet
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Section 8 is fine for LEGITIMATE users of the program. The rap on the Section 8 program here in Middletown is the AMOUNT of Section 8 housing the city has and apparently wants to increase because the federal program provides revenue for the city. Since the city leaders don't want to address the lack of revenue problem by luring companies to town to create jobs that will allow more people to earn money and move to the city to buy the abundance of homes for sale, they are trying every trick in the book (such as Section 8 saturation funds) (EXCEPT traditional means) to raise revenue. We have , at last count, 1662 Section 8 vouchers (probably more to come). The city is slated for approx. 700 or so by population. Middletown has more Section 8 vouchers than any city in Butler County by a large margin. (Correct me if I'm wrong on that posters) That's the problem here. We citizens who care, are mad as he-- about the 1662 and the apparent plan by the city manager and others to make Middletown the slum capital of Ohio by saturating the town with HUD/Section 8. We've gone from a normal blue collar town to an Appalachian slum ghetto town using this approach. JMO
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I am new to this blog but have been reading comments for a while. I have at times smiled,
 laughed, shook my head but most of the time everyone is very informative about what 's going on in our city. I have a question about section 8, is there to many section 8 houses or should we have no section 8 at all ? I think section 8 is a good program but not being used as it should be, like food stamps that people sale for money. I have seen people who do not deserve to be on section 8 and i know people waiting for a the vouchers to be released who are really in need of the help. How can it ever be fixed so those that do not abuse it can get it ? I know this is going to hurt but do you have any ideas ?
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Smokey Burgess
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VietVet
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OK- Schiavone says he believes HUD is trying to work with older,industrial cities, and he hopes the city can "reap the rewards of this program" WHAT????? Voner, pray tell us what would be the "rewards" coming from HUD programs? Let's see- lowering the town's image- attracting HUD candidates that will lower the income levels, lower the spending and money flow within the town - lowering the overall property values in town - perhaps with a "HUD climate" in town at the level city leaders are pushing for, a higher crime rate - more blinds hanging out of windows - more junky used furniture lying about for the trashmen to haul away - more paint peeling - more junker cars parked on the streets (and in the bare spots on the lawn of the HUD home) lower tax base as people with higher incomes start moving out replaced by lower income residents - an "appalachian feel" to the town -
 You know- when Cincinnati and Dayton finally meet in the middle, we will be truely the middle of a vast metropolis. Unfortunately, with HUD and Section 8 dominating the scene and firmly entrenched here, we will be the area that they will call the SLUMS or GHETTOTOWN  We can thank the city leaders now for that distinction in the future for they are dragging this town into being HUDTOWN USA. CLEAN HOUSE- well, you know the rest 
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Mike_Presta
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Posted: Jul 10 2009 at 11:10am |
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Well, Spider, at least no matter what the Middletown Housing Authority decides to do, there IS a "check" on them since the city council must appropriate any money before they can spend it!!!
Oops, no, WAIT!!! Those two groups are EXACTLY THE SAME, aren't they???
I guess that "checks and balances" in Middletown will continue to mean that Council will write CHECKS as long as there is a BALANCE in any account that they can get their hands on!!!
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Vivian Moon
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Posted: Jul 10 2009 at 10:49am |
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I have a question...Do we have a Middletown Habitat for Humanity Group?
If so why aren't they doing any rehab work in some of these older homes as they have in other communities?
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Smokey Burgess
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Posted: Jul 10 2009 at 10:39am |
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Good Morning Pacman, Viet Vet, Miss Vivian, Mike Presta, Etc. -
Earlier this week I submitted a posting about an elderly Ward 2 homeowner who received one of the 2,300 housing code violation "love letters" from the Community Revitalization Department. As you may recall, this fixed-income African-American resident was cited for the crime of peeling front porch paint.
In retrospect, it's good that I mentioned he was an active member of the now-defunct HUD Consolidated Planning Committee and still a personal friend. Could it be that some of the folks at One Donham Plaza caught wind of this as rumors of potential litigation continue to swirl?
Well, I have good news to report. My friend from Ward 2 was contacted by a Diversity Specialist and told that his little problem would be taken care of at no cost. In fact, he might even get his entire house painted to boot!
I should point out that civic-minded people like John Soppanish and other members of the 2nd Ward Community Council have talked about taking care of this problem for my friend without dipping into the large HUD kitty of funds. They are to be commended for this expression of neighborly self-help.
How does all of this strike you? If you know of anyone with similar problems please tell them to call City Hall and say that they are friends of mine. Maybe more freebies will be on the way for them too?
Nelson Self
Community Development Administrator
January 2007 - January 2009
P.S. I wonder if a local newspaper will look into this??
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Vivian Moon
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Posted: Jul 10 2009 at 10:33am |
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 Yep Pacman..that would be the 20 Million Dollar answer from the City
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Pacman
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Posted: Jul 10 2009 at 9:26am |
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"We are not setup at this time to answer questions." Thank you for your comment.
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spiderjohn
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Time for a visit to the next Council meeting to seek details/explanation of Mr.Adkins' stimulus fund request. 25 million for exactly what, as many are beginning to ask?
Any program of this magnitude must surely be laid out in detail, so let's show it all to the public.
Also--Section 8.
It would seem that any property manipulation through demolition, "land banking", re-construction et al would dramatically increase the Section 8/assistance demographics two-fold to tripling at a time where Council/Admin has pledged to downsize these programs.
A companion to Mr.Adkins' explanation should be comments from police, emergency and schools as to how they are prepared to deal with this project in a time of down-sizing, loss of tax base(long-term possibly by Mr.Adkins' "agenda").
As Ricky might say, "Doog, yu gotta lot of "splainin' to do!".
And let's hear Council's take on this also.
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Smokey Burgess
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MIDDLETOWN JOURNAL: SOME READER RESPONSES TO $25+ MILLION HUD STIMULUS, SCHMIMULUS MANNA FROM HEAVEN
19+ million dollars of our tax money (and others throughout the nation) to add to the federal deficit, increase the probability of a lingering economic malaise with more job losses, high inflation, and perhaps even a total economic collapse. And they're worried about a facelift for neighborhoods. With unemployment high, how long do you think it will be before they need more $ for another facelift, just like a 2nd Stimulus package. We need to vote short-sighted politicos out of office ASAP.
Gregg Nicholl
6:07 AM, 7/10/2009 While I understand Middletown and Hamilton desiring a facelift, are they one bit concerned that it is at the expense of their children and grandchildren? "No permanent jobs will be created through this program." Could be said about the whole "stimulus." OPM - other peoples' money. Roger Titkemeyer
5:50 AM, 7/10/2009 I wish our CITY could find some money to fix all these roads...the bolts on my cars have to be tightened at LEAST once a month from driving on those disgrace they call roads .... dj 7:59 PM, 7/9/2009 |
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Mike_Presta
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Who knows????
Of course, Council is IN VIOLATION of law by even BEING ON the Middletown Housing Authority!!! (ORC 705.12: Members of the legislative authority of a municipal corporation shall be electors of the municipal corporation. They shall not hold any other public office...)
Of course, Middletown's City Council has never let a little thing like THE LAW stop them from doing what them want for the eleven years that I have been back here!!
Being a member of a "Municipal Housing Authority" is indisputably a “public office”!
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Simply put, no member of the Local Governing Authority (City Council) may benefit directly or indirectly from any HUD funded activity during their respective terms of office or for 12 months immediately following their vacation of said position. Keep this in mind.
NRS
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As the Council is also the Middletown Housing Authority who can make Administrative decisions and recommendations to themselves and then vote on them, maybe they did meet as the Housing Authority and discuss some of these issues. Since we can find no minutes of any of these meetings so far who knows what has gone on with the Housing Authority. Or is the Housing Authority soley in operation to deal with Section 8 Housing?
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Vivian Moon
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Now, now Mike, you know the City is working on a wonderful plan as we speak however they just can't be rushed. And you should remember that they are the smart people that know what is best for the rest of the community. Just think of all the poor people that can be helped with all this money...(this is the biggest joke of all) They are working overtime at City Hall trying to see how many more employees they can move over to the CDBG-HUD side of the books.
Yep Mike these are the same council members that told us several months ago they were REALLY concerned about the number of Section 8 housing in Middletown...hmmmm it seems they aren't concerned about that number anymore...the new number is now $20 Million.
I'm sure all those smart people at City Hall are working on one of those large low income housing communities that will bring some really big bucks to Middletown (if you own the land) and we should be hearing about this great plan within the next 6 months. (this little project will double the current number of low income families in our City and schools)
However Mike I'm sure NONE of this was discussed behind closed doors before the council meeting. 
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Mike_Presta
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"Forever change Middletown..." he said!!! "Fifty year plan" he said!!!
But he announces it with little to NO details, and NO ONE on city council bothers to ask any questions???
This is the very same council that hems and haws for YEARS about Section 8.
The very same council that discusses for weeks parking and driveways or a new gin mill.
The same council that went on for months about leash laws and swimming pools.
But propose a TWENTY MILLION DOLLAR, FIFTY YEAR PLAN that will CHANGE MIDDLETOWN FOREVER...
...and these same people don't even raise an eyebrow????
Anyone who believes that this has NOT been "pre-discussed", please call with your credit card number handy...I have a sure-fire "get-rich-quick scheme" that we should talk about!
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Vivian Moon
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Mike With few comments from any council members and no fanfare the vote was taken and Mr. Adkins has now become the CZAR of Section 8 & HUD.
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Can anyone shed light where and how the funds appeared for the Senior Citizens Group/ Center and what on earth are they doing?
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