Unspecified Sutphin Street Project Problems??

I can't decide which version was the most condescending.

wasteful wrote: I find your comments somewhat pompous rather than dignified or imposing.  Now if you would like to drop the charades and make a comment please do, in a less obnoxious way.

Hey!!!  As most of you might know by now, I can speak all of those languages (Pompus, Dignified, and Obnoxious)!!!  Maybe I can translate for y'all!!!

Please permit me to make an observation that should be as shockingly clear as a lightning bold striking a wet kite line.

Let me tell you what should already be obvious.

The most obvious shortcoming is the lack of an informed opinion from a completely uninvolved expert.

The biggest problem, so far, is that we haven‘t heard from someone without a dog in this fight, who also knows his "stuff" about road work design and construction.

I see and hear only the comments from pundits who either:

Are not the acknowledged masters of the engineering and construction arts;

So far, he’s only seen comments from “sidewalk superintendents” who:

don’t know "stuff" about this kind of stuff;

Or, if having some such credentials, then have interests of gain or loss, either actual or possible future, in the goings on, and outcomes of, of the current situation.

Or, if they do know their "stuff", they’ve already got a dog in this fight so we can’t really trust them to be impartial or to tell us the straight scoop.

Have ye not learned from history that one cannot possibly get unbiased observations from those involved in, or who may stand to gain or lose by the outcome of, any questionable situation?

If you’ve been around the block a time or two, shouldn’t you have learned that if somebody, themselves, has something to win or lose, or might’ve made a mistake that they’re trying to cover up, you probably can’t rely on them to be completely straight on the subject?

Simply find an honest man, skilled in the necessary arts involved, but with no intentions or possibility of risk or reward from the resolution of the questions at hand…and then ask him!

Use your head, man! Just find an honest man who knows all about this sort of "stuff", but doesn’t have anything to gain or lose on this deal, and who isn’t out to get involved for money, and then ask him what the deal is.

　

Or would that be too simple and straightforward for such an august and pompous group as that involved in this situation?

Or, is that too easy for you stupid @$$-hole know-it-alls to understand???

 

I hope that this helps.    

Please permit me to make an observation that should be as shockingly clear as a lightning bold striking a wet kite line.

The most obvious shortcoming is the lack of an informed opinion from a completely uninvolved expert.

I see and hear only the comments from pundits who either:

Are not the acknowledged masters of the engineering and construction arts;

Or, if having some such credentials, then have interests of gain or loss, either actual or possible future, in the goings on, and outcomes of, of the current situation.

Have ye not learned from history that one cannot possibly get unbiased observations from those involved in, or who may stand to gain or lose by the outcome of, any questionable situation?

Simply find an honest man, skilled in the necessary arts involved, but with no intentions or possibility of risk or reward from the resolution of the questions at hand…and then ask him!

Or would that be too simple and straightforward for such an august and pompous group as that involved in this situation?

I was driving down Stanley Street the other Day and notice there was Crew doing Curb and Sidewalk repair and had to stop and talk to their Leader. You see, the last time Stanley St. was done in 1978 I was the Contractor that did most of the part I was on.

From my experience doing such work, I can tell you that until you actually start digging things up there is no way to know how good the Concrete is. In this case, I have no doubt that once the Pavement was dug completely up and the edge of the Curb ( 8" thick at the Road face) was exposed,and expected to stand alone for the Paving, the Curb fell apart.

Concrete deteriorates over time and there is no way of knowing when that will be given all the variables and  all the time Sutphin has seen since the last repair.. It might look good from the surface with the Pavement in the front, and the Soil on the back side, holding it together. However once you remove either one of these "Dams" it might easily fall apart.

I guess Engineering could have assumed the worst and included all new Curb  in the Stimulus request, but that might very well put the Dollar amount high enough to have the Project rejected. I don't blame anyone here and hope most of you will cut them some slack. There is plenty of legit Governmental things gripe about in this little Hamlet.

Vet, I believe that the contractors bid on what the city tells them needs to be done, not on what they think should be done. The bid is on the contract that the city engineers decide what is included.

So Vivian why did you drop your Cemetery Complaint against the City?  Or did the City Managers report have a mis-print.  Just curious.

Vet I believe the problem was not visible as it was below ground, the road surface.  These things happen unless you have X-ray vision how are you going to know without ripping up the road each time before you decide to repair or replace it.    The added expense could come in later due to the fluctuation in paving material costs.  Oil goes up Price of asphalt goes up.  Pretty much 1 hr of wanting to rip on someone last night because of the additional costs.  It was going to have to be fixed regardless.  Also this won't be the last time you find a surprise or two when you let your infrastructure go as Middletown has.  I saw little sense in all of the drama last night.  You know you are going to have to fix it and pay for it so let's get it done and move on.

Here are some pictures I took last night of Sutphin Street.








To it does not look like an easy task to fix.

I have walked it also--from Woodlawn to Central.

So if the city got money to do the street why did they run out of money ? (if thats the real problem)

 

Maybe playing the shell game and transfering it into other fund accounts ?? Which wouldn't shock me. 

I repeat, don't be surprised if the budget shuffling routine of City Hall is engaged another time as CDBG funds may be utilized to cover/help cover the cost of this project change order.  JMO.

randy wrote: Ok, I stand corrected!! There is a meeting tomorrow, I just got a call from the one of the two council members I still trust. Tomorrow's meeting will be asking for more money for the Sutphin street project. Word I got was dont count on it.     Again if you cant watch or attend the meeting MUSA will be there and will post the video first thing in the morning.