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Marcia Andrew
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jan 09 2010 Status: Offline Points: 365 |
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Vet, physical discipline at public schools is against the law. Has been for years. I do agree, however, that we need to have very clear, consistent expectations as to behavior and very clear, consistent consequences for any failure to comply with those behavior expectations.
Marcia Andrew
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VietVet
MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008 |
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Nice to hear that improvement is happening in some of the schools to the effective level Ms. Andrew. Will try to watch the details, as you suggest tonight. You do understand my frustration and impatience with waiting for years for something good to happen with our schools. The only thing one has to go by is the chart at the top of this page which is self-explanatory and sad after all these years. We taxpayers get tired of throwing money at the problem and seeing no improvement especially after all this time.
It also exacerbates the situation because I was in this school system when it was top-notch and respected in the area. Produced some fine people that went on to be successful. Had 30 per class and the teachers still got the job done. Also had deterrants like Stan Lewis, Dean of Boys, who would crack your behind just as much as look at you. Since the schools took that deterrant out of the schools, the discipline has never been the same and the students are not intimidated any longer. Wrong direction IMO. |
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Marcia Andrew
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jan 09 2010 Status: Offline Points: 365 |
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Vet, I did not see your post the first time around. At last night's school board meeting, we had a long discussion on the state report card results and what the district is doing to improve, including professional development to support the teachers' efforts to improve the quality of instruction. I suggest you try to catch a re-play on TV Middletown as there is much more detail discussed than I could repeat here. The programs of the past few years have "clicked" at several buildings that moved up to Effective on the state report card; we need to keep that progress going and spread it to every building in the district.
Marcia Andrew
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Dooraghero
MUSA Immigrant Joined: Oct 16 2009 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 26 |
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"But rest assured,it will get better when the next school levy is passed. It always gets better with a levy.Levies fix everything. " That seems to be the attitude. There is no real incentive for improvement when all that has to be done is to put another levy on the ballot and engage in a public relations campaign advertising that the levy must be passed "for the children" or that if not passed, businesses will not locate here.
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Would you be willing to trade all the days from this day to that for one chance,just one chance to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives but they'll never take our FREEDOM
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VietVet
MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008 |
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That's right Hermes....more money = better results.......new schools = better results......changing supers = better results......passing levies = better results. We've been doing these things for many years. Have we seen better results? You be the judge. The school folks, each year, say that they are improving. Then, when the test scores are published, we all see the truth and know that we have been fooled again. Yet, we keep rewarding this by continually passing their levies. Historic performance and logic says not to keep funding this any longer. This school system is flat out not worth another dime until they make some major changes. The current programs have never been successful, yet, they never have made any significant changes. The last time this school system performed was in the 60's/70's. The 80's started the downward spiral to what it is today.
Ms. Andrew, you have been a participant on this forum. You have defended the school system against our comments in the past. How do you view this situation? Please explain to us why this performance continues to occur and what sweeping changes are being established to eliminate this consistent poor performance? Do you still think we taxpayers should be obligated to pass any future levies based on these results? Is this performance a bargain for the money we are giving to the schools? Thank you for any response in the future. |
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Bill
MUSA Citizen Joined: Nov 04 2009 Status: Offline Points: 710 |
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If student acheivement is closely associated with parental involvement, as our Super believes, maybe the city should have used that PAC money to bribe the parents to get their kids grades up. Call it "Cash for C's", "Cash for Caring", "Cash for putting down the Beer, Smokes, and Remote",or maybe "(no) Cash for Flunkers!"
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Hermes
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: May 19 2009 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 1637 |
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Pretty pathetic numbers.
But rest assured,it will get better when the next school levy is passed. It always gets better with a levy.Levies fix everything.
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VietVet
MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008 |
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Well, there it is in black and white. The old area school comparison we have been seeing for many many years. And, with the same old results that we have been seeing for many many years. Middletown is ALWAYS on the bottom of the totem pole. Only school in single digits with 5 indicators met. Now....when you bring this to the attention of the superintendent (as I did years ago at the old seniors center when the school folks were having one of their "rah-rah" meetings and Price was still blowing hot air) and you confront him and he says, "well I don't see it that way!", exactly how are you suppose to carry on a conversation with people like that, when you have the cold hard facts in front of you and they still deny that they are performing poorly? It ain't logical thinkin' on their part.
School officials state that the school system was in "flux" and "transition". Nifty little descriptors for avoiding the real explanation to the public I guess. Midd. schools will get 1.4 mil but the levies will keep coming according to Alberico, as the new money is "soft money" and more of your levy dollars are needed to.......perform at the same level as the previous six years which is 5 of 30 indicators met and at the bottom of the list I suppose. When will they actually adopt a viable program to attack the on-going performance issues? Has anyone seen any eye-opening new techniques that really made a difference or has there been only subtle changes that made no impact at all? Why have we been doing the same failed things for at least 6 years in a row, without trying something different and living with the same results? Rasmussen has been a good cheerleader. Now, let's see him make some real changes and correct the Price mess. |
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Wasteful It’s time to lock the doors and freeze all wages.
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wasteful
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 27 2009 Status: Offline Points: 793 |
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