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Nothing surprising here. Picard just doing what he is told to do by his bosses. We all knew the approval on the second go-around was a done deal. Scott-Jones and Mr. Smith standing their ground. The good guys are still out-numbered 4 to 3 on council, at least on this one. The game remains the same.....until the people in this town wake up, give a crap enough to register to vote, educate themselves on what is happening, go to the polls and outnumber the MMF-sponsored voting block contingent who are ruining the city. Meanwhile, the city continues to go down the toilet with their game plan in place and the majority of the citizens seem not to care. The city leaders/MMF are counting on that to remain in effect.
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Safety levy passage = more city purchasing and renovation or demo of downtown buildings.

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This council has been such an incredible disappointment, the runaway train of nepotism, poor behavior, and blatant bully-ism. Mr. Picard, you amaze me with your commentary. Criminals are using houses for heroin transactions? Where do you come up with such nonsense?

I state it again, for the upteenth time. When you have two brothers, an attorney (who practices before two Middletown employees), and a retired city police chief, all having one single tie that unites them all, in Red Crimson and Gold, you only have 4 out 7 that are solely with the city's agenda, and the city with their agenda.

All that money going down to Main Street for the benefit of the Mulligans, and no one cares? This is unlike any city in America.

Lets hope you all remember how they came up with these funds and pandering Dan voted to spend $1.2 Mm, when also saying the levy needed to pass because we needed the bloated fire department. This is the worst council in history, and openly self serving. It won't help your neighborhood, they'll divert the funds elsewhere, but who cares? I surrender, idiots rule.  
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City to be part of county land bank

Grant program provides funds to tear down blighted properties

By Michael D. Pitman, Staff Writer Updated 1:31 AM Wednesday, July 4, 2012

MIDDLETOWN — City Council reversed course and agreed to have the city participate in a county land bank and receive $1.35 million in state funds.

Two weeks ago, City Council rejected the idea to join the County Land Reutilization Corp.,

also known as the land bank, and have the quasi-public nonprofit organization apply for the
a $2.7 million Moving Ohio Forward Grant on behalf of Hamilton and Middletown. The grant
would be split between the two cities so long each provides a $1.1 million match.

On Tuesday, council voted 4-0-2 to pass the legislation. Council members Anita Scott Jones

and A.J. Smith abstained; Councilman Josh Laubach was not at the meeting due to a death in
the family.

“I think this is a great opportunity for the city,” said Vice Mayor Dan Picard of the grant and

 land bank. “We have so many properties that are in such terrible shape that we really need
to do as much as we can to get that under control.”

Butler County commissioners approved in May to form the land bank, which can acquire

vacant, abandoned, tax-foreclosed or other property for rehabilitation or reuse. The land
bank would then clear properties of all
liens, including delinquent taxes.

The Moving Ohio Forward Grant comes from a multibillion-dollar mortgage provider

settlement shared with all states. Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine announced he set $75
million of the state’s share of the settlement aside for the
grant program, which was designed to demolish dilapidated and abandoned homes.

With the grant, Middletown can demolish by Dec. 31, 2013, around 300 vacant and

abandoned properties, about 10 percent of the city’s total. The city currently demolishes
about 40 to 50 homes a year.

Picard said the grant isn’t just taking care of bad-looking properties either.

“It’s not just an aesthetic issue, it’s a criminal issue,” he said. “These houses provide havens

for heroin addicts and other drug addicts and all for kinds of criminal activity and illicit
activity. It eats up our other resources.”

Scott Jones and Smith both abstained because they felt the legislation was being reconsidered

 because it failed despite receiving a majority vote. Council voted two weeks ago 5-1 on both
pieces of legislation, but since Picard was absent at that meeting, the voted needed to be
unanimous. Laubach was the dissenting vote.

“Although I was a proponent of this piece of legislation when it initially came before us, I am

not an proponent of bringing back legislation so quickly because it didn’t go my way,” Scott
Jones said.

Smith also abstained because he was one of three council members that were not at the special

 meeting last week.

“I have not supported in the past bringing back legislation once it’s failed, whether it’s

something I supported or in opposition to,” he said.

 

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In a letter to EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson, Portman said that the EPA has recently begun reinterpreting federal regulations to require nearly all demolition to be subject to rules on asbestos removal.

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    I noticed that the City is paying between $400 - $800 per house for an asbestos survey.  I’m not sure why this would be needed in residential property since most products that contain asbestos are usually easily seen with nothing more than a walk around the property.
    It has been my experience that older commercial properties seem to have more asbestos products that a contractor would need to be concerned about.
   

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From MJ:
Another wrinkle?
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Portman asks EPA to rethink regulation

Sen. Rob Portman last week urged the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to rethink a regulation that demolitions of vacant properties be subject to an EPA rule governing asbestos removal.

Portman, R-Ohio, said the regulation has effectively barred Ohio land banks and others from demolishing vacant and foreclosed-upon homes. The state has some 100,000 vacant properties awaiting demolition, and Ohio groups – led by the Thriving Communities Initiative in Cleveland – argue that the EPA’s reinterpretation of federal regulations governing asbestos removal has gummed up the process and made it costlier for cities and land banks to demolish such properties.

In a letter to EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson, Portman said that the EPA has recently begun reinterpreting federal regulations to require nearly all demolition to be subject to rules on asbestos removal. Starting today, Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine is scheduled begin releasing $75 million to Ohio counties and land banks for demolition purposes. Portman said because of the new rules, 25 to 40 percent fewer properties will be demolished with these dollars.

“Given the staggering cost increases and the growing need for demolitions, I urge you to work with the Ohio Environmental Protection Agency and local stakeholders to reassess this regulation’s impact on local land banks and the communities they serve,” he wrote.

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GG thnx for your honest answer- taking a break from cleaning up storm damage on the iPhone so I just wanted to get back to you. At some point I'll message you and explain some dealings with this city manager that I have had.
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GG You mentioned a while back that your thought process was evolving when it came to the leadership in this town that is the city manager. I thought you had also said you worked with several of the upper management people. My ? is what do you think of the leadership of our town. If you have reviewed this I apologize I have had other issues to attend to and have not been following much of these post.
Acclaro- I am being told the Mens B-Ball team is looking very good this year I hope they show again in the finals. I'll message you so your son may avoid my siblings classes very, very tough, only joking.

ground swat,

As you mentioned, my opinions are still forming. Currently, I would rank as follows on a scale from 1 - 5:

Adkins          5
Gilliland     4
Landon          3
Kohler          0
Smith          1
Laubach          4
Jones          4
Mayor          2
Others          3

It is no secret that that I agree with most of what Mr. Adkins has been doing. I think that his strategies will benefit the city in the long term. My viewpoint on Ms. Gilliland is primarily based on my personal dealings with her. I know that this viewpoint isn’t shared by many on this board and I am looking into her performance otherwise. Landon doesn’t impress me but he appears to do his job of keeping the city out of hot water. Kohler should be fired tomorrow. He has done irreparable harm to the city over the years. Smith doesn’t have enough life experience to be in the position that he is in. Although I didn’t agree with his decision concerning the Moving Ohio Forward vote, Laubach took a step up in my mind by voting his conscience…. what he thought was best for the city. I think that Ms. Jones puts much thought behind her decisions. The mayor took a step back in my mind when he wouldn’t accept a council vote because it didn’t agree with his opinion. None of the other council members stand out to me one way or the other. JMHO

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A startling oxymoron.

The worse offender in blight in the city of Middletown, is the city itself, Can it fine itself for its negligence, malfeasance, ineptitude? It is the cause of blight. Yet you GG argue property powners cause the problems. You haven't looked at the roads, the sewers, the curbs in disarray, and the terrible manner the city maintains its own assets.

That is what you continue to miss in your solution, and adoption landlords are the cause of blight. They are a minor problem.

The biggest culprit? The city itself. Lets try putting some asphalt down GG and cure the street blight, and work our way back to paint and a nail that needs to be reset on an apartment, how about it.

acclaro,

I would agree that the city is the single largest contributor to our blight problem. Does that invalidate my argument that landlords contribute heavily to the problem…. of course not. I will say, again, that I recognize the street and infrastructure problems. I would support street repair over demolition if the city was incentivized to do so. As it stands now, I feel that the bigger impact would be the removal of blight. For the record, I am not anti-landlord but the city must reduce its current percentage of rentals (currently 40%) as part of its strategy to get healthy. I am surprised to hear you state that rental properties are a minor blight problem….. we must be viewing different neighborhoods. Would you be OK with your next door neighbors renting their homes?

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Ground Swat, thanks, he'll be glad to know. Actually, they are all great down there and do a nice job one on one. We watched Seth Curry and enjoyed that. They are really something, they had pulled out the former UVa coach and made him athletic director, and they always play UNC-Chapel Hill tough. It takes a smart sibling to teach at Davidson, you have to be smarter than the student, and those students are pretty darn smart.
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GG  You mentioned a while back that your thought process was evolving when it came to the leadership in this town that is the city manager. I thought you had also said you worked with several of the upper management people. My ? is what do you think of the leadership of our town. If you have reviewed this I apologize I have had other issues to attend to and have not been following much of these post. 
   Acclaro- I am being told the Mens B-Ball team is looking very good this year I hope they show again in the finals. I'll message you so your son may avoid my siblings classes very, very tough, only  joking. 
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Originally posted by greygoose greygoose wrote:

Bill,

Stepped up code enforcement is needed but, if it comes to be, it won't be popular.

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Code enforcement has already visited us in the form of rusty gutters, paint falling off of garages and more. City even had a low interest loan program for some to fix up their houses. Some couldn't afford that either. Happened a year or two ago, then, as quickly as it was announced, it disappeared. Haven't heard nor read where the city was hammering the people lately.

The city has already demonstrated code enforcement for properties in need of repairs. In the last few years (can't remember when it was implemented) the city had inspectors out in the city and were writing citations for home repair. If interested in this subject, I will direct you to the section of this forum entitled Community Revitalization- page 5. There, you can read all about the program and the reactions. (there are other topics within this section that will give you an overview of what has transpired with code enforcement).
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A startling oxymoron.

The worse offender in blight in the city of Middletown, is the city itself, Can it fine itself for its negligence, malfeasance, ineptitude? It is the cause of blight. Yet you GG argue property powners cause the problems. You haven't looked at the roads, the sewers, the curbs in disarray, and the terrible manner the city maintains its own assets.

That is what you continue to miss in your solution, and adoption landlords are the cause of blight. They are a minor problem.

The biggest culprit? The city itself. Lets try putting some asphalt down GG and cure the street blight, and work our way back to paint and a nail that needs to be reset on an apartment, how about it.
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Bill,

Stepped up code enforcement is needed but, if it comes to be, it won't be popular.

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GS, great school, your sibling is smart, Davidson is a tough school, 1000 kids that could have easily gone to Harvard or Yale.

Bill, your point is well made, but again the fallacy here is once again, the lack of recognition it is not a supply issue, and blight, it is a demand issue. But, I think I get your point. And that is removing only part of blight leaves significant more, that hinders interest, and therefore, market demand. In sum, we reach the same conclusion. Net sum gain----a resounding 0.
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The "blight" is but one zit among many on the blemished face of our town (and we also have below the skin conditions and illnesses which are unseen but killers nonetheless).  What no one has mentioned is that while hundreds of abandoned older homes are an eyesore, so are THOUSANDS of the occupied older homes.  If we're worried about outside impressions, there are many occupied homes in dozens of sections around town that do our image no favors.  Unfortunately, getting rid of a few hundred homes is a drop in the bucket in the rehabbing of this town's overall appearance.
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Acclaro- Nice to here some one local hitting the books at Davidson. Sibling teaches there. I would encourage all to again contact your councilman and let them know that a vote is a vote. Beyond disappointed in this decision to "Vote again". What do you do with empty lots? What do you do with empty housing stock? Magic money!
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Goose is obviously not one of the city team or a plant.
Obviously I either know him or know of him.
We should be happy that he is sharing his thinking with us.
We should all learn from each other, and we have never had much problem
With disagreeing around here.

Land banking?
I have no clue
Don't understand how tearing down so many old houses and leaving
empty lots will help much in the near future. We have serious immediate issues
that are being ignored conveniently, with land banking being our savior dujour.

Surely would help if we could all get along and work together.
Like Mr.A, but don't know if he can pull it off legally.
The others down there---?????

Spider,

Based on past statements that you have made on this board, I am pretty comfortable that you are not hiding your identity to any great degree. With that said, I’ll let you know that we have met but do not know each other. If I am correct about your identity, your father opened a satellite operation in a south Dayton suburb in which I lived in the mid 70’s. The whole community was “buzzing” about a unique industry concept that I believe your father invented that took customer service to a whole new level. I was privileged to work for him.

I appreciate your comments. I enjoy the exchange of ideas that this forum provides and will do my best to keep things civil. Don’t be surprised if someone taps you on the shoulder in the near future and introduces himself as Mr. Greygoose.

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Greygoose:
I think that if you go back through my posts you will not find even one instance where I spoke against removing blight. Where that activity should rank on our city’s list of priorities is a whole other, lengthy discussion.
My gripe has been that, once AGAIN the same people who say that we are broke and that there is no money available (whether it be for streets, police, firefighters, sewers, or a large vat of hot tar and truckload of feathers) have sudden “found” a big wad of dough when it was needed for something that the “right” people want to do ...AGAIN!!! That and the fact that, when it happened, NO ONE sitting behind the curvy counter even raised an eyebrow…AGAIN!!!
Perhaps you’ve noticed that I’ve used the phrase “tucked away in one of our other accounts” in quotes. That is because it actually is an exact quote…of words spoken by the previous Finance Director a few years ago when a previous Council had backed themselves into a similar corner. He proudly stated during a council meeting that he had just found $350,000 “tucked away in one of our other accounts” and no one in the room batted an eyelash. (I was watching at home and nearly soiled my pants.) If I recall correctly, he “found” it right after a tax levy that council was counting on had failed.

MikeP,

I absolutely understand the point that you are making and do not dispute it. If you’ve read my recent posts, you will see that I was trying to support the “cause” but not the manner in which it was being supported (because I don’t). I am just trying to make sure that my viewpoint on the city’s leadership has a strong basis in fact. Keep throwing it out there…… your comments have more effect on me than you may think. Any statement that causes me to “ponder” my current opinion is a good thing and as I have stated before, my opinions continue to evolve because I am fairly new in this arena.


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Goose is obviously not one of the city team or a plant.
Obviously I either know him or know of him.
We should be happy that he is sharing his thinking with us.
We should all learn from each other, and we have never had much problem
With disagreeing around here.

Land banking?
I have no clue
Don't understand how tearing down so many old houses and leaving
empty lots will help much in the near future. We have serious immediate issues
that are being ignored conveniently, with land banking being our savior dujour.

Surely would help if we could all get along and work together.
Like Mr.A, but don't know if he can pull it off legally.
The others down there---?????
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Greygoose:

I think that if you go back through my posts you will not find even one instance where I spoke against removing blight.  Where that activity should rank on our city’s list of priorities is a whole other, lengthy discussion.

My gripe has been that, once AGAIN the same people who say that we are broke and that there is no money available (whether it be for streets, police, firefighters, sewers, or a large vat of hot tar and truckload of feathers) have sudden “found” a big wad of dough when it was needed for something that the “right” people want to do ... AGAIN!!!  That and the fact that, when it happened, NO ONE sitting behind the curvy counter even raised an eyebrow…AGAIN!!!

Perhaps you’ve noticed that I’ve used the phrase “tucked away in one of our other accounts” in quotes.  That is because it actually is an exact quote…of words spoken by the previous Finance Director a few years ago when a previous Council had backed themselves into a similar corner.  He proudly stated during a council meeting that he had just found $350,000 “tucked away in one of our other accounts” and no one in the room batted an eyelash.  (I was watching at home and nearly soiled my pants.)  If I recall correctly, he “found” it right after a tax levy that council was counting on had failed.

“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Greygoose:

The cost to the taxpayers EVERY YEAR for extra fake, historically inaccurate lights on South Main Street will be enough to demolish one additional blighted house.  You say that demolishing the blighted houses is more important than repairing our streets.  Do you agree that demolishing blighted houses is more important than fake gas lights on S. Main St.???

“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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