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Historic House Guy
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 28 2013 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 272 |
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Just realized I can't edit posts for spelling. I'll slow down...
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Historic House Guy
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 28 2013 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 272 |
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In fact, you have a very negative impact on this city and any new investors who fin your posts online.
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Historic House Guy
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 28 2013 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 272 |
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I do hope all the nay sayers move away soon. You really have no positive impact on this city. Do us all a favore though; stop posting on this forum.
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Historic House Guy
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 28 2013 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 272 |
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Maybe if you'd had the opportunity to live in a few different states during you life time and see this isn't just happening to Middletown you'd see the big picture.
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bumper
MUSA Citizen Joined: Feb 01 2010 Location: over here Status: Offline Points: 307 |
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Historic House Guy
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 28 2013 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 272 |
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LMAO and others,
I see a lot of you have an exit plan but where were you when things started going bad? Why didn't you try and run for council a long time ago? You seem to be very passionate about your positions yet you made no effort to help the situation when it was time to do that. Instead, you retreat and make a mockery out of this city in a very public way. You're all as guilty for the way things are going as the people you prosecute. I hope when you leave Middletown, you'll leave this forum as well. We have a lot of new blood with great intentions and investment opportunities but the ship won't sail until we pull the anchors. You guys and gals at this point are nothing but anchors if you're not wiling to be part of the change.
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LMAO
MUSA Citizen Joined: Oct 28 2009 Location: Middletucky Status: Offline Points: 468 |
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To answer your first question,I like many others before me is in the process is packing my stuff and getting out of this town.I'm about a month out selling my last property and leaving this "DEAD" city.So I cant run.You call it negativity some call it the "TRUTH".Ever hear that saying,Can't fight City Hall?You can fight them but can never tell if they are speaking the truth. When you ask a question to anyone of our so called council memeber,Its always Let me get back to you. Never comes.After a while you,well I should say Me gets tired of the run around.
You mention the guy about the radio station,I cant speak for others but I would like to know what kind of city I was going to go to and some back ground on it.I don't know if they beat him up cos I cant remember the topic. There are a lot of people here that would love to see the city to bounce back but wont until the ones that are running it now are either beat out of there seat or they all decide to retire. We all know for them to retire wont happen cos there friends of friends are counting on them. |
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Historic House Guy
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 28 2013 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 272 |
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Why is it that some of the most vocally people on this forum don't stand up and run for City Council? There is a huge amount of negativity coming from this forum. Anyone who would even do some looking into investing in this area and found the comments here would most likely just turn away. In fact, that has happened. I found a thread on City Data where a gentleman was thinking of coming to Middletown with an AM radio station and when he posted here with the idea he was beaten down with negative remarks. Why in the hell would you do this?
Everyone seems to want to see Middletown bounce back but your public comments only serve to do the very opposite. Do you folks not see the damage you're doing to this city yourselves or are you too wound up with your disagreements with the current policies to realize what your own actions are doing?
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LMAO
MUSA Citizen Joined: Oct 28 2009 Location: Middletucky Status: Offline Points: 468 |
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I don't see this city ever coming back unless the people that are "Occupying" the seats all retire.Not only them Ms.Queen,Jester Les and Mr.Big(Mr.A)until they change there thinking about Downtown Middletucky its doomed.
I'm keeping my finger's and toe's crossed that I can sell the last of my properties to leave this exciting town.To much excitement for this old man. |
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processor
MUSA Resident Joined: May 07 2013 Status: Offline Points: 151 |
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KTF1179, I don't think you have any worries that AK will shut down the Middletown Plant. If they shut down Middletown they will go bankrupt in a hurry as this is their source for all of their carbon steel products plus it has nearly all of their coating lines.AK may go bankrupt, but whoever buys them will continue to run Middletown. It will be painful getting from here to there, but I would be shocked if the plant would shut down for very long.
Acclaro, I actually agree with you that it is doubtful if Middletown can pull itself back up. All of the government programs that city hall is trying just won't work and will likely make the situation worse. Only private enterprise can pull it off and they won't invest because the risk is just too great compared with a few miles either side of the city. Also our city officials really don't seem to have a clue how to attract and retain the businesses that they need. However, I do give them credit for trying.
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ktf1179
MUSA Citizen Joined: Mar 19 2012 Status: Offline Points: 518 |
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If AK Steel keeps loosing revenue there is always a chance they may just shut down the Middletown Plant.
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bumper
MUSA Citizen Joined: Feb 01 2010 Location: over here Status: Offline Points: 307 |
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is there any hope? as an outsider now I would have to say nope..
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acclaro
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2009 Status: Offline Points: 1878 |
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Neil, in my opinion, no.
The population will shrink. Middle to higher income residents will move out. Arts, all the city activity, simply can't overcome the - image it has created. AK Steel is a concern for those with health problems and what may happen to them. I see the city on the way to being Detroit. Its too late for action. People know the taxes are coming, and leaving. Those with incomes just stay away. I see no hope. A rudderless ship....floundering, for 30 years or >. |
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'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill
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Neil Barille
MUSA Resident Joined: Jul 07 2010 Status: Offline Points: 238 |
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acclaro, what is the answer at this point? I know you have espoused a 1% city tax to draw in business but IMO that won't accomplish much -- every municipality throws out tax abatements. These companies all end up in Mason or WC anyway. I wonder if we really have much developable land anyway.And while city hall may have had bloated payrolls in the good ol' days, I don't see where there is much headcount to cut anymore. is there any hope?
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acclaro
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2009 Status: Offline Points: 1878 |
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They won't, they will move.
Taxes and the problems you describe (add in the roads that need about $125 Mm or >), and you have a perfect storm of great decline, limited tax revenue, heavy burden on those behind, just causing a vacuum). This is exactly what happened in Detroit. People left Detroit, no influx in, outflow >, inflow <, no tax revenue= city bankruptcy. City expenditures presently just to allow the "club" to shore up until they can get out, nothing more. Why do you think AK execs, Atrium, Fenwick, Clark Schaeffer, others, moved out? Why do you think the prominent residents here all their life moved out? The city is in death grasp. A corner bistro called Stained, and "got art" doesn't save a city from itself. |
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'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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RECAP TIME AGAIN….
● Ms Judy has stated that we will be short 1.5 million dollars ● Moody Rating has been downgraded ● Traffic Camera will no longer provide revenue to city coffers ● Weather Wax continues to loose money ● HUD will move Section 8 Program to Butler County so another million dollars will leave the city coffers ● Ms Judy wants a 2 million dollar bond to tear down more buildings in “THEIR DOWNTOWN” ● Separation of Sewer will need a 200 million dollar bond ● City Hall will continue to fund revitalization of downtown area ● School Board will be looking for a levy to build the new schools while Mr. Adkins continues to demo more properties removing them from the tax rolls. Revenues and population continue to fall…. and we still have that pesky little problem of the police and fire departments. How will the citizens of |
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Paul Nagy
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jan 11 2009 Status: Offline Points: 384 |
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Thank you for the kind words. You made my day. I hope some will step up to the plate and run for Council.
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Perplexed
MUSA Citizen Joined: Apr 22 2009 Status: Offline Points: 315 |
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Thank you, Paul. It's good to hear from you again and this post tells it like it really is. I wish your wife and you the very, very best. Many of us appreciate your previous efforts to run for elective office.
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VietVet
MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008 |
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I concur Mr. Nagy. Been said many times on this forum that you can't get people off the couch to go vote. You can't get decent candidates to run because they either don't have the time, don't have the money, don't own their own business or have a position at work allowing them to take off for meetings(example-Larry Mulligan, Dan Picard), perhaps working shift work nullifying any chance of serving. Don't think they can win against the entrenched MMF sponsored puppet candidates. MMF is organized, have resources and a network block of strong voters who actually believe what MMF is doing is right for the city. Never has been enough "anti-MMF, anti-city leader" voters out there who are willing to overcome the MMF loving voter block. Just don't have the numbers at the polls to defeat any MMF sponsored candidate. Most in the city don't care enough to change it. The irony is that these same people who don't care enough to change it by cleaning house and voting for all new people, are the same ones who are always complaining about how pathetic the city is. Go figure. JMO
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I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over.
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Paul Nagy
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jan 11 2009 Status: Offline Points: 384 |
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Please Run For City Council! Today is Wednesday, July 31, 2013. There are only 27 days for you to pull a petition to get on the ballot as a candidate for City Council in November’s election. Get 50 good signatures on it and get certified. Get 100 to 150 signatures to make sure you have 50 good ones. It will only cost you $45.00. You do this by going to The Board of Elections Office in Hamilton. The staff is very courteous and will help you with all of your questions. So, if you can make life better for others and have integrity please, please, pull a petition and run for office. We must not let things go as they are and we must not let incumbents run unopposed. It is time to stand up and be counted! Dan Picard, Ann Mort and Joshua Laubach have all filed. All three have been part of the council that has brought the city of Middletown to where it is. Are you satisfied with where our city is? If you are then you are deceived. They will probably be put back on Council if you don’t rise up and defeat them at the polls. Although they are nice people, they, and the rest of Council, have been terrible representatives for our city. We are getting like Detroit unless we quickly reverse our course and change our image. There is nothing left to fight for. Our city is in shambles and for all practical purposes there is nothing left. However, you can run and fight for the future of our city and for its citizens that have been ignored, insulted and have paid the price of lowered property values and higher taxes . The Board of Elections website shows that John Jackson pulled a petition. Dora Bronson, whom I cannot in good conscience, recommend to anyone, for a position on Council, has also pulled a petition. If you run, you will want to propose some alternatives to turn the city around and put it on a solid foundation. You will have to get the other Council members to agree with your views or by your vote let the citizens know your opposition to all decisions that are not in the best interest of the city and its citizens. You will need to believe that our city can be turned around and have the ideas and determination to persuade the citizens and the rest of Council to map out a plan to turn it around. You must be persistent in selling our city as an opportunity for present and future economic growth. You will need to educate the voters as to What Is Wrong. The opposition will accuse you of being negative because you are pointing out our disasters. You will need to educate the voters as to What We Need To Do To Change Our Course. The opposition will spend any amount of money to belittle you and stop your efforts if they interfere with their special interests and projects that only serve and benefit a few selected people. Remember, their main interest is to have all of the power and control all of the money. What Is Wrong? There is not enough room here to state all that is wrong but let’s name a few things. 1. Unemployment. We need Jobs! Jobs! Jobs. This has not been and is not now a major golof the current Administration. 2. Our roads are in terrible shape. The patch work being done is too little, too late. Where has all of the money gone that was to be set aside for our roads? Someone needs to be held accountable. What is the current plan in detail to get our city streets where they should be? 3. Our sewer system is about to bring us into financial disaster. Any serious effort to bring it where it should be has been ignored. The Administration has played games with the funding until we recently got someone to head the department who takes it seriously. 4. The Historic Commission is useless and out of control. They have illegal authority over the whole city. This authority was given to them while there were FOUR attorneys combined on Council and in the Administration that let the illegal document be passed without any opposition except by those on this forum. We are told it was written by someone in the Administration who is not an attorney. The attorney’s should be totally embarrassed and should correct the city document immediatel;y. 5. MMF should be publicly abolished and reprimanded for their continued clandestine illegal political involvement. Their story about there being two different MMF organizations was a cover-up. They should not receive any further funding and should return the recent gift of $75,000 to the city immediately. Members of the City Council and the Administration that sit on that Board are on two sides of any contracts engaged in by MMF and that is and has been a blatant conflict of interest and only serves special interests. 6. We need to reduce our bureaucracy. A huge portion of our city government does not live in Middletown. Those that do are intimidated to do the will of the Administration even when its wrong. There is a lot of discontent with their bosses. Council should admit the terrible decisions that have been made by the Administration and hold the responsible parties accountable and fire them and replace them at more reasonable salaries with competent people who have some integrity. Those needing to be fired immediately are Judy Gilliland, Marty Kholer, Les Landen and Doug Adkins. Council has done nothing but sing their praises for putting the city in the negative situation we find ourselves. Another reason why Council needs to be replaced. 7. We need to get the city out of the real estate business. It is obvious that Council and the Administration don’t know what they are doing here. The abuse and misappropriation of HUD funds has for years been a constant source of confusion. It started with Ginger Smith. Things got so bad that their were several law suits. They then went to the city prosecutors office and hired Doug Adkins. They needed an attorney to straighten out the law suits not the real estate matters. They kept him on at a huge salary and he and the administration have had controversy over every effort they have engaged in. To wit: MPHA, Section 8 housing, HUD. At first they refused to reduce the Section 8 vouchers when we were all pointing out the disaster it was. But they were wanting the support of landlords and the money. Now it is totally out of control and HUD has stepped in. It gives us another black eye to our city image. Doug Adkins has proved to be an obnoxious bully and is not appreciated by the citizens who pay his salary. The fiasco over the building purchases from the Perry Thatcher estate and for Cincinnati State is another great disaster. Although it’s good to have Cincinnati State here it will never have any serious impact to equal that of Miami University. 8. The Downtown effort is a joke at the expense of the taxpayers. It is typical of the amateurish way the Administration does things. It demonstrates their philosophy of the City of Middletown. In light of the downsizing of AK Steel they want to tear down buildings without any overall plan. Demolishing buildings must be done to some extent when a Steel Company leaves a city. History is replete with it. But what do you do with the properties and how do you afford and where do you get the man power to reduce the vacancies ? The most sensible way is to keep the city out of the Real Estate business. They have proven that they don’t know anything about it. They don’t have the work force to handle it and the city can’t afford it. The fact is, the city should turn these properties over to professional real estate brokers who have the expertise to sell the properties to the right people looking for such properties and pay the real estate agents a reasonable commission. It would be a lot less costly and the image of the city presented to potential buyers would be much more positive.
The downtown effort is being done in such a way as to create a total negative image. The majority of the city resents putting millions of dollars and years of effort into schemes that have not been productive. It has been done to the general neglect of the rest of the city and the few businesses that have remained and are toughening it out resent the neglect. Spider John has been eloquently spelling it out for along time. This is a special interest project that favors a few people on the inside. It is an attempt to bring money in by the back door. The city needs to stop funding it and let those business people downtown carry t themselves and take the risks that every business person takes. We need to now make a major effort to grow the whole City not reduce it to 28,000 and make it a campus community. That is ridiculous. Grow the city and more revenue comes in and everyone benefits through the front door and not through back door deals. Work with State and the Fedreral government that has great interest in returning to manufacturing. Continue expanding the education and medical developments. Go after research and development opportunities. Then watch the shopping center, the Mall and downtown fill up.
Because of our strategic location what would happen if we changed the name of our city to MIDDLETOWN USA. I like the idea of made in the USA, especially made in MIDDLETOWN USA.
Please run for office. It isn’t easy to run a city or a school system. There are new people running for our school board. Please return Marcia Andrews to the school board. She has been the best thing that has happened to our school board in years. She does the work and doesn’t just posture. Also, Please vote for Christi Delloma to be on the school board. She is a great achiever.
Due to age, health and other personal situations I can’t run again. It’s too bad . I believe with the votes and support you gave me in the last election I would have made it this time running at large. Thank you for that support. So, I’m encouraging you to run for office. Somewhere out there are some talented and able leaders. Please run and represent the thousands that have been used and ignored in our city for so long. Answer with the best that’s in you.
Thank you.
Paul Nagy
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