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blue7
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Is this social club still Edward Bros Hall? Wasn't there a shooting in that club a couple years ago? I wonder if this is the beginning process of trying to get them out. I think it's a byob kind of place.
Not that it matters to the big picture, or to the Historic People. |
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Included in this deal: 1. The City shall cause, at its sole expense, the Hotel and Sonshine
building(s) to be listed on the historic register 2. The City shall commit an amount not to
exceed Twenty Five Thousand
Dollars ($25,000.00) for the redevelopment of
the street-scape surrounding the Hotel to match the way it was in the 1920s. |
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Mike_Presta
MUSA Council Joined: Apr 20 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3483 |
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If it is a zoning or a building code issue, what in the H...E...Double Hockey Sticks business is it of that da__ kangaroo court known as the Historic commissions???????? Why doesn't the appropriate department handle it, just as they would any other time????? And even if you are correct ( the odds of which are astronomical against), that still doesn't address why the Historic commission doesn't haul the Board of Education in for similar violations on on the VERY SAME DA** CITY BLOCK!!!!! |
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Mike_Presta
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You state that: "The City engaged Hardlines Designs" to assist. Where did the money come from to pay Hardlines Designs??? You state that "Hardlines also submitted ...the first step" etc, etc. Are you trying to say that Hardlines did this out of the goodness of their hearts??? I repeat: WHERE DID THE MONEY COME FROM??? And you didn't address where the money was coming from to restore "the streetscape to its 1922 state", which could be in excess of $25,000!!! So what say ye????
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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over the hill
MUSA Citizen Joined: Oct 19 2012 Location: middletown Status: Offline Points: 952 |
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Who are the people on the commission making these determinations. Urban Core Commission ?
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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beat me to it, Ms.V...
One look at the structure which used to be our former library should end this whole process. Then factor in the old high school, the Rose building, the Studio/hobby house area complex, the burned-out factory on the right as you enter town from the W Midd bridge, the Ligon building, the former Ward's building(adjacent), the recently sold historical society site, etc.....admin might want to address those issues asap If current and/or prior owners of these and many other properties(including the Colonial(Sorg) Theater and Sorg Mansion) had bothered to make ANY attempt towards upkeep and keeping them serviceable, the area would look seriously better. To let these structures fall apart, then claim"historical significance" only in order to have someone else(taxpayers) pay for their negligence is hard for me to ignore. Leave the K of C guy alone..... |
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Vivian Moon
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Hmmm…did Kohler move the Urban Core line again?
I was told that the Urban Core line applied only to the north side of First Avenue because my little historic vault, located in the Middletown Cemetery is on the south side of First Avenue therefore it did not qualify for any of the special downtown funds and or matching grant money. |
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Vivian Moon
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over the hill
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VV: you have ,again, hit the nail on the head. If Kohler doesn't know what was there then how is he going to know what is "appropriate". This is more "posturing" by Kohler. He he throws out a lot of mumbo, jumbo he looks like he knows what he talking about. NOT! If you can't convince em,confuss em.
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VietVet
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swohio 75:
Perhaps you can clarify the contents of this story for me. Specifically this..... "There is a large auditorium addition on the rear. The current owner has constructed a room addition on the east side of the building with no zoning or building permits or approval from this Commission" FIRST OF ALL, IS THIS BUILDING A DECLARED HISTORICAL STRUCTURE AND UNDER THE SCRUTINY OF THE HISTORIC COMMISSION? THE BUILDING DOES NOT LIE IN A DECLARED HISTORIC DISTRICT DOES IT? I THOUGHT WE ONLY HAD TWO-- S. MAIN ST AND THE HIGHLANDS. FURTHERMORE, IF VINYL SIDING IS AN ISSUE NOW, WHY WAS IT ALLOWED TO HAVE VINYL SIDING IN THE PAST? SECOND OBSERVATION.....IF THIS BUILDING HAS NOT BEEN A DECLARED A HISTORIC STRUCTURE, KOHLER AND THE OTHER "HISTORIC GROUP MEMBERS" NEED NOT CONCERN THEMSELVES WITH THE ADDITION, BUT RATHER IT NOW FALLS INTO THE REALM OF THE CITY BUILDING CODE FOLKS AND A BUILDING PERMIT ISSUE VIOLATION--IE, WHENEVER A PERMANENT STRUCTURE IS PLACED ON A PROPERTY, IT MUST HAVE AN INSPECTION, APPROVAL AND THE COST PAID FOR A BUILDING PERMIT BEFORE IMPROVING/BUILDING. I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH ANY COMMERCIAL BUILDING REQUIREMENTS AS OPPOSED TO RESIDENTIAL AS TO EITHER THE BUILDING INSPECTOR/PERMIT SEQUENCE NOR THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION REQUIREMENTS ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. IS THERE A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL? THEN....YOU HAVE THE PRIVACY ISSUE- IE- THE PRIVACY FENCE WHICH PUTS ALL OF THIS OUT OF SIGHT TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC'S VIEW. "Ms. Romero would like to see a design more in keeping with the building than the addition as built." AGAIN, IF MS ROMERO IS A MEMBER OF THE HISTORIC COMMISSION AND THE BUILDING HAS NOT BEEN PROCLAIMED AS HISTORIC, WHY WOULD IT BE ANY OF MS. ROMERO'S BUSINESS WHAT HAS TRANSPIRED? SAME WITH THIS STATEMENT.... "Mr. Kohler would like feedback from this group. Ms. Romero said the addition looks like a trailer parked up against the building, it is not in keeping with the style or quality of the building at all" IF THE BUILDING IS IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND DECLARED HISTORIC, THEN APPROPRIATE. IF NOT, NONE OF THEIR CONCERN AND THEY ARE OVERSTEPPING THEIR BOUNDARIES. "The first addition, the auditorium, is not up to current district standards either. (HOW DID THAT SLIP BY THEIR SCRUTINY?) But it is not visible from the front. Mr. Sauer wondered whether the auditorium addition was originally concrete block. Nobody else recalls what the original material was. (THEN HOW CAN YOU MAKE A JUDGEMENT ON WHAT IT IS NOW SUPPOSE TO BE IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS TO BEGIN WITH?) Ms. Romero asked whether Mr. Kohler had enough information from this group to take to the owner. Mr. Kohler replied affirmatively. He would mention that the design and the material need to be more sympathetic with the original building, the window and door styles also more in keeping with the original building, the heights of the door and window need to be the same or at least related. ( YOU JUST STATED THAT YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE ORIGINAL MATERIALS WERE) Mr. Kohler felt that he needed to get some specific comments from this group to take to the owner before he goes to the expense of hiring an architect. Ms. Romero asked for a motion to table this case" HIRING AN ARCHITECT? TO TELL THE OWNER THE WAY IT SHOULD BE? WHY ARE YOU BUTTING INTO THE OWNER'S BUSINESS KOHLER? GRASPING AT STRAWS AND A GREAT DEAL OF SUPPOSITION HERE. SOUNDS LIKE THE HISTORIC COMMITTEE REALLY DOESN'T KNOW WHAT IS NEEDED HERE. I QUESTION WHETHER THE PLACE FALLS UNDER THEIR JURISDICTION OR NOT. SEEMS A TAD BIT OUT OF THE WAY, LOCATION WISE, TO BE INCLUDED IN THE S. MAIN ST DISTRICT DOESN'T IT? .....WHY NOT JUST LEAVE THE OWNER ALONE? WADE E. MILLER GYM WAS "TACKED ON" TO THE OLD HIGH SCHOOL. SO WAS THE ANNEX IN BACK OF THE SCHOOL. THE HIGH SCHOOL IS A HISTORIC STRUCTURE RIGHT?. THEN WHY HASN'T YOUR LITTLE HISTORIC COMMISSION JUMPED THE SCHOOLS ABOUT "TACKING ON" INAPPROPRIATE BUILDINGS AND MATERIALS TO THE OLD HIGH SCHOOL? AND BECAUSE THE WADE E MILLER GYM IS HISTORIC, WHY ARE THERE NOW GLASS BACKBOARDS AND NOT THE ORIGINAL WOOD MATERIAL IF WE WANT TO STAY WITH HISTORIC ACCURACY? WHAT ABOUT "CHANGING THE FACE OF AND BEING "INAPPROPRIATE" WITH BARNITZ STADIUM'S HISTORIC VALUE WITH THE FANCY NEW SCOREBOARD, NEW SYNTHETIC TURF AND NEW STANDS? LET'S NOT CHANGE THAT AREA BELOW THE STANDS EITHER, EVEN IF IT IS FOR IMPROVEMENT AND WITH THE LATEST MATERIALS. AREN'T THE CHANGES TO BARNITZ, FROM A "RETAIN THE HISTORIC APPEARANCE" PERSPECTIVE INAPPROPRIATE? SHOULDN'T IT BE NATURAL GRASS AND A WOODEN SCOREBOARD LIKE WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT? WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE WITH THIS LITTLE GROUP AS TO TELLING THE COMMUNITY WHAT IS AND IS NOT "HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE"? I HAVE INTENTIONALLY TAKEN THIS WAY BEYOND THE LIMIT TO HIGHLIGHT HOW FAR EXTREMISTS CAN TAKE THEIR CAUSES IF THEY LACK ANY COMMON SENSE OR JUST EXIST FOR CONGERING UP VENDETTAS TOWARD PEOPLE. I WOULD SAY, IN CASTING JUDGEMENT ON THE HISTORIC GROUP, THAT THEY TEND TO BE A TAD BIT VINDICTIVE IF YOU DON'T PLAY BALL THEIR WAY.....AND THAT AIN'T GOOD. THESE PEOPLE ARE LIKE AN OUT-OF-CONTROL HOME OWNERS ASSOCIATION WHO GOES ABOUT TELLING EVERYONE CONNECTED WITH OWNING HISTORICAL PROPERTY HOW TO LIVE....AND THAT AIN'T GOOD EITHER. |
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acclaro
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'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill
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swohio75
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jun 13 2008 Status: Offline Points: 820 |
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I believe they are trying to use the fact that the Sonshine building was one of the first Ford dealers in Ohio as one of the qualifiers, but if you ask me as a stand-alone building, the argument is weak. I could see it being included as part of district, but I'm having a hard time seeing it listed as a stand-alone--which is the route they are taking. Both Rose and Masonic are conforming structures in a larger historic district. The age of the structures, their architectural styles and the historical significance of the entire district (in terms of it's place in the community) lend to argument of the listing. Manchester, as a stand alone qualifies based on: * Age of structure * Historical significance of the structure in terms of the place it served in the history of Middletown PLUS who's stayed and/spoken there (not just Sarah Palin) * Architect of the building (Frank Packard) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Packard |
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swohio75
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This is a bit of a distortion Mike. The owners constructed a recent addition WITHOUT zoning or building permits. It has nothing to do with "restoring" their property but the appropriateness of the addition and use of materials of the addition. Here's the information taken from the minutes for folks to here to make their own judgement about what's occurring. URBAN CORE DISTRICT BUILDING ADDITION 1402 FIRST AVE Ms. Romero introduced the case. Mr. Kohler explained that this building is at the corner of First Avenue and Curtis Street, being used as a social club. It was formerly a Knights of Columbus meeting hall, originally built as a single family residence. There is a large auditorium addition on the rear. The current owner has constructed a room addition on the east side of the building with no zoning or building permits or approval from this Commission. A key issue is that they have used vinyl siding as a primary exterior building material. Vinyl siding is allowed in this district but not as a primary material. The auditorium addition was resided some years ago in vinyl siding so there is a substantial amount of vinyl on the building. The owner has not yet provided stamped drawings by a registered architect or engineer as required by the City’s Chief Building Official because this is a commercial building. The initial examination of the building addition indicates that it may not meet commercial standards. The question is whether this group can approve the vinyl material, windows, and design. We now have only photographs that do not show much because the building is behind a privacy fence. There is a sliding glass door on the east side and a window on the north side. Ms. Romero suggested tabling this case until there is more information on materials, design, specifications. Mr. Kohler would like feedback from this group. Ms. Romero said the addition looks like a trailer parked up against the building, it is not in keeping with the style or quality of the building at all. Mr. Kohler wants to be able to relay to the owner the kinds of expectations this group has before he hires an architect. Ms. Romero would like to see a design more in keeping with the building than the addition as built. The first addition, the auditorium, is not up to current district standards either. But it is not visible from the front. Mr. Sauer wondered whether the auditorium addition was originally concrete block. Nobody else recalls what the original material was. Ms. Romero asked whether Mr. Kohler had enough information from this group to take to the owner. Mr. Kohler replied affirmatively. He would mention that the design and the material need to be more sympathetic with the original building, the window and door styles also more in keeping with the original building, the heights of the door and window need to be the same or at least related. Mr. Kohler felt that he needed to get some specific comments from this group to take to the owner before he goes to the expense of hiring an architect. Ms. Romero asked for a motion to table this case. Mr. Sauer made that motion. R. Taylor seconded the motion. The motion passed unanimously by roll call. |
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over the hill
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It seems funny they can hassle them to get moving on the restoration of that building but what has been done to the Rose furniture building. The damage to that building has impacted the useablity of the building next to it. Might want to call your attorney?
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acclaro
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Yes. But....what can we expect. Its Middletown, where lies are truth, and old is new.
And....paying off the BMW, and replacing it with the paid off mortgage is not the new status symbol. |
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'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill
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Mike_Presta
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Meanwhile, back at the ranch:
That kangaroo court known as the Middletown Historic Commission is hassling the owners of the former Knights of Columbus building on First Avenue, trying to force them to spend a fortune to "restore" their property. (You can read about this in the workbook for last night's council meeting.) Yet neither the Historic Commission nor any of the other historic buffs in town seem a bit concerned about the truly historic building right next door and the Board of Education's plan to demolish it. Does anyone else see the hypocrisy here???
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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acclaro
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Historic Significance? Sarah Palin slept here.
Others? None. Firewall. Stretch for all to meet NHR criteria. Eyes off econ development, while building firewall. Hello....anyone up making coffee? |
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'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill
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spiderjohn
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What is historic about the Sonshine building?
Or the Rose building? Or the Masonic building? |
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swohio75
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I believe the staff report answers this question: In preparation for this, the City engaged Hardlines Design to complete a registration form to place the Manchester Hotel on the National Register of Historic Places. This was completed in time for the March 31 deadline. The city obtained a Pipeline grant from the Ohio Preservation Office to help fund the application work. Hardlines also submitted a Preliminary Questionnaire to the Ohio Historic Preservation office for the Sonshine building, which is the first step to submitting for nomination to the register. |
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VietVet
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Well, it would seem that some folks were "caught with their pants down" on this deal.
Bank building deal pulled from council’s agenda MIDDLETOWN — A proposed sale of the former Bank One building was pulled from the agenda just hours before it was to be considered by Middletown City Council. “This action in no way is a reflection on the creative proposal we received from Chris Walden and his associates,” said City Manager Judy Gilleland in a email to the Journal-News late Tuesday afternoon. “In fact, staff and City Council was excited to work with Chris on this project because of his world-class artistic talent and his vision of an art gallery and event center for the building.” OR, MAYBE THEY RECONSIDERED WALDEN'S ABILITY TO PAY AND MAINTAIN THE STRUCTURE AFTER PURCHASE PERHAPS? HEY JUDITH, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE AFFORDABILTY ASPECT OF THIS DEAL BEFORE WE GO OFF ON A TANGENT AND TELL US HOW WONDERFUL THIS GUY IS WITH HIS "ARTISTIC TALENTS" AND "VISION OF AN ART GALLERY" CRAP. THAT'S IMMATERIAL RIGHT NOW AND NOTHING BUT SURFACE FLUFF. The legislation to approve the sale of the downtown building was on tonight’s council agenda before it was pulled from consideration. “The rebirth of downtown Middletown has created a demand for space and we have received a few inquiries about the building in the last several weeks,” Gilleland said. “As such, we have decided that it is appropriate to gauge the public interest in the building. THE "REBIRTH" HAS "CREATED A DEMAND FOR SPACE?" IF THAT IS SO, HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN ALL THE EMPTY STOREFRONTS DOWNTOWN? I DON'T SEE ANY "EXPLOSION OF GROWTH" DOWN THERE......THAT IS, GROWTH THAT HASN'T BEEN FORCE FED BY YOUR LITTLE GROUP HEADED BY THE MOORMAN'S. AND SOME OF THE GROWTH CAN BE GAUGED AS SOMEWHAT SUCCESSFUL BY THE STORIES OF OPENING AND CLOSING ON A FREQUENT BASIS WITH A NAME CHANGE THROWN IN AT TIMES. YOUR LITTLE COLLEGE DOWN THERE HASN'T MADE THE IMPACT THAT YOU CLAIMED IT WOULD. ENROLLMENT NUMBERS ARE HARDLY EYE-OPENING. FOOT TRAFFIC IS ALMOST NON-EXISTENT. WHAT'S ALL THE EXCITEMENT ABOUT JUDITH? Gilleland also said city staff would be meeting in the near future to discuss the next step, which will likely include a request for proposal. She anticipates the process to be accomplished in the short term. HOW ABOUT A MEETING IN THE NEAR FUTURE TO DISCUSS FOLLOWING THE BIDDING PROCESS AND THE LAWS OF THE CITY AS TO ENFORCING THE RULES? GOOD START, RIGHT? In an email sent by investor Mike Robinette to Mayor Lawrence Mulligan, Robinette asked that tonight’s discussion and vote on the city-owned Bank One building be tabled. Robinette, Middletown’s former economic development director, is part of an investment group, Geo CRE, which already owns the Goetz Tower and the Rose Furniture building in the downtown. At the last council meeting, members were told Toast of the Town Events, LLC, offered $135,000 for the Bank One building at 2 S. Main St., and artist and owner Chris Walden planned to convert the building into an art gallery and event center. Doug Adkins, director of community revitalization, told council Toast of the Town Events’ offer was unsolicited and that it made “good sense” because it generated revenue, fit the downtown business plan and got the city out of the landlord business. WHY WASN'T COUNCIL TOLD THERE WERE OTHER BIDS, HIGHER THAN WALDENS? WHY DIDN'T DOUGGIE DISCUSS THE ENTIRE SCENARIO WITH COUNCIL? DID HE MENTION ROBINETTE'S BID? Robinette has said that he was interested in buying the building, but was told by city officials that it wasn’t for sale, since it was being leased to Miami University Middletown. But when Robinette learned that Toast of the Town Events had made an offer, he made two offers: one for $185,000, and a second for $202,500, or $67,500 more than the offer the city is considering. Robinette wrote that the city should conduct a competitive process for the sale of this property. He said the Bank One property is significantly more valuable than the negotiated price of $135,000. “We believe it is important that the city thoroughly evaluate all offers for the purchase of this property, considering their track record of success and ability to successfully complete and sustain the project,” he wrote. The building is valued at $137,980, according to the Butler County Auditor’s Office. In an email response to Robinette, Mulligan said council was interested in a selling the properties to “a broad, diverse group of investors and owners that can help move these properties forward.” SO, WHEN THE SMOKE CLEARED FROM MULLIGAN'S BULLCRAP, WALDEN WAS THE ONLY ONE OFFERED A CHANCE TO BUY? ROBINETTE'S GROUP WAS INCAPABLE OF "MOVING THE PROPERTIES FORWARD" ACCORDING TO MULLIGAN? Mulligan said there are examples where single ownership and control works well, but in the city’s case, he believed “diversification is better.” The city paid $275,000 in December 2010 to the Perry Thatcher estate for several downtown properties: CG&E Building, First National building, Masonic Temple and the Bank One building, Adkins said. He said the city received $202,000 from Higher Education Partners for the purchase of the former CG&E Building that is being used by Cincinnati State Middletown. If the Bank One building is sold, the city would make $62,000 off its investment. City Council has donated the First National building to Cincinnati State Middletown and the Masonic Temple building to the Art Central Foundation BOTTOM LINE: BEFORE THIS MADE THE PAPER, MULLIGAN, GILLELAND AND THE OTHER LITTLE CREW MEMBERS WANTED TO SELL IT CHEAP TO WALDEN, WHO WILL MAINTAIN IT AS AN ARTZY PLACE MATCHING THEIR THEME FOR THEIR LITTLE DOWNTOWN DREAM. WITH ROBINETTE, THERE IS NO GUARANTEE IT WILL BE AN ARTZY PLACE. THEY CAN CONTROL WALDEN'S PLANS AFTER THE SALE AND ASSURE IT COINCIDES WITH THEIR LITTLE WORLD. INCREDIBLY EGOTISTICAL AND SELF IMPORTANT PEOPLE RUNNING THIS CITY. PUBLIC HANGINGS ARE IN ORDER. WE DON'T NEED ARROGANT TYPES OF PERSONALITIES RUNNING THIS CITY. |
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Vivian Moon
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Mike
I believe these items would be paid for from the Downtown Fund or the Community Redevelopment Fund. What is City Hall going to do in June when all the HUD money is transferred to Warren and Butler counties? Yep that deficit is going to get even greater. |
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Mike_Presta
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Bearing in mind that the City of Middletown is projecting deficit spending as far as can be seen into the future, and we are constantly being told that no money is available for anything--not even police or fire personnel--let alone road paving or the like, how can council pass this without asking where the money is coming from to meet the City's obligations under this deal??? Included in this deal: How can this council approve deals like this and never ask where the money is coming from??? (I suppose that this money will be found "tucked away in one of our other funds"!!!)
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Vivian Moon
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OATH OF OFFICE Maybe those at City Hall should read their Oath Of Office
again before they vote for the sale of the Bank One Building as Emergency
Legislation at the next council meeting. |
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acclaro
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There is no pity....nor respect, to those who refuse to step in the ring or have others fight their battles for them. As Teddie Roosevelt said-
'It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.' Toast prevails. |
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