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Pacman- I guess I am saying that people in town are "circling the wagons". Go out for a meal on a Friday or Saturday evening and notice that the number of people have dwindled as compared to better times. The streets are relatively empty. The combination of the poor economy, people losing their jobs, high prices at the pump and the grocery store, a feeling of hopelessness of staying even, much less getting ahead has evaporated. THEN---- you add the ineptitude of the city leaders who are not intelligent enough to provide even the basics for a town to survive and you have a recipe for major citizen depression. Doesn't matter whether it's a Blues Fest, an Art festival, a parade, a downtown bash, a council or school board meeting, or any other event to promote entertainment, it will not be well attended because people don't want to leave the house. They've been beaten down for too long with no hope in sight and in the city leaders' case, they have given the people no reason to be interested in what they do- other than to pound their mode of operation on every front.
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MadisonMom, this is all that can be said about the Festival:
 
"Went down to the Arts Central Foundation outing last night. Great effort by the committee!
Music was outstanding and very diverse.  Food was s-s0--booths similar."
 
Actually I was hoping for a bit more.  The only Art goings on I ever heard about downtown was GOT Art.  Your husband being the VP I thought you could tell us more. 
 
Maybe we could move one of these shin digs....dare I say it out to the, the, the "East End" after 122 is done.  Got a big open space in the Towne Mall  that could be used if they agree.  Easy access from many areas, many of the restaurants in town are right there.  Hotels which fill up on the weekend, would give them something to do and spend their $$$$$$.Big%20smile
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But Pac- having these activities in the Towne Mall area would pull the people away from the downtown area and defeat the purpose of having events for the downtown. Also, hasn't the downtown area been designated as the "Got Art" center with Beau Verre as the hub? They are trying to find a theme to draw people down there and the theme is art. Problem is, there may not be enough "cultured" people living in Middletown to really appreciate nor understand the "art thing" to support it. It's still a relatively "uncultured" blue collar town and may always be. More beer drinking than wine tasting type of crowd.
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Hahahaha, I knew the first person to comment would bring that up, but I thought it would be someone with a business interest downtown.  They have got enough festivals  to move one somewhere else.
 
I agree with the art thing Vet.  Middletown is just not an Art mecca and not enough people can afford to buy, not even high end art just $100-500.00 art to support it here, in my opinion.  I have bought art from Walden downtown, but I can't afford to do that on a regular basis.  Beau Verre can locate anywhere as can Walden as they are sought after artists and specialists.  They do not rely on Middletown residents to support them.
 
 
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"I agree that those in office are AWFUL but its along time till November. I just meant that some people on this site only complain. In your case you seen that the cemetery needed work and the city was not doing it so you took matters in to your on hands. That is a great Thing, If some of the posters on here did that instead of waiting for the city to do it maybe downtown would not look like it does today."
 
So let me get this right:
Talking about an under perforning school system.
Talking about excessive Section 8
Talking about HUD Issues
Talking about the Lack of Jobs
Talking about a City who issues letters of basically Reprimand to it's Citizens and yet can't do the basics itself.
Talking about infrastructure which is and has not been maintained for years.
Talking about a Council which seems to have lost it's desire to communicate with its citizens.
Talking about the Crime rate in the Schools
Talking about Poverty
Talking about a City which has lost it's socioeconomic balance.
Talking about a City that is loosing its retail businesses at an alarming rate.
etc., etc., etc.
 
Yes you may not like the style that we all talk about these issues and sometimes we can get carried away, but at the end of the day these are all important issues that need to be addressed by the City and its citizens sooner rather than later.
 
This in your book is complaining and if we all went out and pulled up a weed somewhere that is going to help.Disapprove
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   Several years ago I suggested several events that could be held downtown that ALL the people of Middletown could get involved in.
1. Have a massive Garage Sale by different organization & public at the old Swallen’s Building. The funds for renting of the spaces could have been used to fund special projects here in
Middletown
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2. I think art should be for all people to enjoy. I suggested that local high school students do 16 x 20 pen & ink drawings of different historic building around
Middletown and be awarded some amount of prize money. (Each year the subject matter could change). Later these pictures could be displayed in different businesses all over Middletown
. The best 13 pen & ink drawing could be printed up into a calendar and sold to local residents. This art project has been done before and made a bunch of money and is a wonderful experience for these students. We need to support future artist that live in our community also.




 
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Vivian projects like this are fine and doable around here.  What I am talking about is placing all of your eggs in one basket.  In otherwords focusing on making downtown an Art lovers dream or a Mecca for the Art World it is just not feasible in Middletown.  I personally think the City Council and Admin spend entirely to much time on the Downtown area with their Art World aspirations while the rest of Middletown suffers.  Now that being said if PRIVATE Individuals with PRIVATE MONEY want to turn downtown into a Major Art Mecca and destination hey I am all for that.
 
But the City needs to look at the bigger picture and stop wasting so many resources and so much time just on the downtown while the rest of Rome Burns.  Folks times have changed and for now people and businesses for the most part want to be nearer to I-75 or other major transportation artery.  That is just how it is,
 
Is there a reason why the other City's surrounding us have a yearly big Garage sale and Middletown doesn't?  Are we just to Big?
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    You are correct. They only want to use downtown for THEIR SPECIAL EVENTS. Millions of CDBG Funds have been spent on THEIR SPECIAL PROJECTS downtown. It doesn’t matter what we the people what or need.
If THEY want it then let THEM FUND IT…That’s the line they give to the cemetery but why not the downtown? Every year we continue to dump more money into downtown for the benefit of about 50 people…what’s wrong with this logic. What are they doing for the other 51,000 people that live in this City?
    We have become the joke of
Butler and Warren County.

WE HAVE NO LEADERSHIP

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You guys are killing me on here!
You tell me what East End Businesses are doing for the citizens of Middletown? You suggest the downtown festival move to the east end, that sort of defeats the purpose of doing "downtown events". The Bash seems to draw lots of people, and why is that? The man heading that event owns a business in Franklin for God's sake!
What sort of things do the East End businesses do to draw people from the heart of Middletown out of the downtown? Towne Mall is dead, so why don't you use the East End businesses to host a "concert", "music festival", "bash", etc.? With the construction going on in the east end, I try to actually reroute myself from that area.

The "hopping" area close to the east end is actually the Shopping Center & the Breiel Blvd area. My Opinion Only, if that counts for anything.


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Originally posted by VietVet VietVet wrote:

Pacman- I guess I am saying that people in town are "circling the wagons". Go out for a meal on a Friday or Saturday evening and notice that the number of people have dwindled as compared to better times. The streets are relatively empty. The combination of the poor economy, people losing their jobs, high prices at the pump and the grocery store, a feeling of hopelessness of staying even, much less getting ahead has evaporated. THEN---- you add the ineptitude of the city leaders who are not intelligent enough to provide even the basics for a town to survive and you have a recipe for major citizen depression. Doesn't matter whether it's a Blues Fest, an Art festival, a parade, a downtown bash, a council or school board meeting, or any other event to promote entertainment, it will not be well attended because people don't want to leave the house. They've been beaten down for too long with no hope in sight and in the city leaders' case, they have given the people no reason to be interested in what they do- other than to pound their mode of operation on every front.


Do you not think this is happening to other cities? Middletown is not the only city affected.
I do everything in Middletown, except when I need a book store. What about you?
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The above events you mentioned are FREE. Bring a lawn chair. You don't have to buy anything if you don't want. What is wrong with listening to great music? Absolutely nothing!


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"You suggest the downtown festival move to the east end, that sort of defeats the purpose of doing "downtown events". The Bash seems to draw lots of people, and why is that? The man heading that event owns a business in Franklin for God's sake!
What sort of things do the East End businesses do to draw people from the heart of Middletown out of the downtown? Towne Mall is dead, so why don't you use the East End businesses to host a "concert", "music festival", "bash", etc.? With the construction going on in the east end, I try to actually reroute myself from that area."
 
#1 I suggest moving a Festival to the East End, not the Arts one specifically.
 
#2 I stated after the construction on 122 is done.
 
#3  The Towne Mall is no more "DEAD" than downtown is on any given day or weekend that a Festival is not going on.  I would venture a far greater amount of traffic is driving by the Mall area than downtown.
 
#4  The Breiel area does not have the parking needed for anything like a Concert, hence the Towne Mall recommendation.
 
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Mom- I buy almost everything here in Middletown. Always have. Lowe's, Sears, fast food, gas, groceries, car repairs, medicine for the wife, lawn supplies, ----all bought in Middletown. As for the music and bringing a lawn chair for free---- yes, I attend the Blues and Bikes every year. Have them taped on cassette from the first one ever held to the most current. Depending on the music type, I will attend these events downtown ( or at the AK pavillion on occasion) As for your reply about people staying home alot nowadays--- Yes, it is happening in other cities. I was just trying to compare the Middletown of old to the way it is now. This "stay at home" mentality is partly due to depression caused by the economy and partly due to the depression of the people as to how they view this town being run. Why do you appear to be so "testy" and irritable toward these generalized statements? You seem on edge as you reply to these posts.
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Vet,
We may have to forgive Mad Mom for her "testiness".
I fear that she runs with a bad crowd.  Some of the information she was given on this message board (backed up with pertinent section and verse from the Ohio Revised Code, I might add) was probably contrary to what she had been told by some of her associates. 
 
That gang has probably brainwashed her into believing that WE are the "bad crowd".  Unhappy
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1) Find me one business in the East End that is willing to help promote "something" in their part of town.
2) I am a wife, mother, grandmother, daughter, daughter-in-law, sister, friend, and business owner.
3) To some of you that know who I am, it has been tough in the building that we are located, I appreciate your confidentiality.
4) Hubby and I discussed staying downtown, it's part of our identity. Our 2 major clients are located outside of the city, by the way.
5) Downtown is close to our home & our 2 teenagers still trying to make it thru high school, yes it is Madison. I did not graduate from Madison, hubby did in 1976.
6) If I sound a little stressed? I will let you know more after Wednesday of this coming week. Please if you know my identity, keep it to yourself. Thanks.
7) The building that my business is located, is also where I shopped with my parents as a child. Before anyone else moved it. (it was like des'ja vous (sp), when inspecting when we checked out the place).
8) Location is not a problem for us, unloading supplies & customers finding us IS!
9) I initially posted to this site because to me Middletown is downtown first and then the surrounding areas second. I expected positive reactions for downtown, but that is probably not the case in this day & age. I have always been a loyal shopper/buyer in Middletown as personal and business (as much as possible for the business, limited).
10) As a business owner, you can pick & choose who you think will help your business along when it comes to.....sponsorship so to speak. This year was pretty much the defining year for us, at this point in our business. The Art Central Foundation, Madison Township Springfest and The MidFirst Ohio Challenge. There is a limit to time/money you can do with each one as being a major player.   Personalities play in to this. These 3 are personal and motivational for us. Sorry if you disagree. But, these 3 have been good for us.

You have to remember, this is MY OPINION AND POSTINGS ONLY, not my hubby. I am on 2 of these committees, he is on 1. That's not to say we don't support each other. Yeah, I've been testy lately.   Owning a business and life combined can be brutal sometimes. I also have some personal family issues happening, but thank god for good doctors and Jack Daniels! And sometimes 56 Degrees after work or someplace else on the EAST end that serves alcohol (El Rancho). I'm also 51 yrs of age and allowed to be the way I am!!!!

Please don't make me regret this post!!!!
Thanks
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MadisonMom my answers are the Blue, I don't think we are to far from being similar in our issues.Big%20smile
 
1) Find me one business in the East End that is willing to help promote "something" in their part of town.

Many of the East End Businesses sponsor downtown activities.  I see no reason why there would not be support in their own BackYard.
 
2) I am a wife, mother, grandmother, daughter, daughter-in-law, sister, friend, and business owner.

I am a husband, father, son, son-in-law, brother friend and a business owner.

3) To some of you that know who I am, it has been tough in the building that we are located, I appreciate your confidentiality.

To some of you that know who I am, it has been tough in Middletown where we are located, I appreciate your confidentiality.

4) Hubby and I discussed staying downtown, it's part of our identity. Our 2 major clients are located outside of the city, by the way.

Wifey and I discussed staying in Middletown, it's where we like to live. 
 
5) Downtown is close to our home & our 2 teenagers still trying to make it thru high school, yes it is Madison. I did not graduate from Madison, hubby did in 1976.
East End is close to our home & our 1 teenager is still trying to make it thru Jr. High school, and it is a Private School, whether it is next year is still being discussed due to the economy. I did not graduate from Middletown.

6) If I sound a little stressed? I will let you know more after Wednesday of this coming week. Please if you know my identity, keep it to yourself. Thanks.

If I sound a little stressed, it is because I am, owning a small business in a bad economy will do that to you.  Please if you know my identity, keep it to yourself. Thanks.

7) The building that my business is located, is also where I shopped with my parents as a child. Before anyone else moved it. (it was like des'ja vous (sp), when inspecting when we checked out the place).

I did not grow up here.

8) Location is not a problem for us, unloading supplies & customers finding us IS!
 
Location is currently a problem for us & finding customers is also at this time.

9) I initially posted to this site because to me Middletown is downtown first and then the surrounding areas second. I expected positive reactions for downtown, but that is probably not the case in this day & age. I have always been a loyal shopper/buyer in Middletown as personal and business (as much as possible for the business, limited). 

I initially posted to this site because to me Middletown focuses to much on downtown and the past and ignores much of the surrounding areas. I expect that if the downtown area wants to be re-developed it be done with Private Funds and the City Admin and Council get back to running the whole City.  I have always been a loyal shopper/buyer in Middletown as personal and business (as much as possible for the business, limited).
 
10) As a business owner, you can pick & choose who you think will help your business along when it comes to.....sponsorship so to speak. This year was pretty much the defining year for us, at this point in our business. The Art Central Foundation, Madison Township Springfest and The MidFirst Ohio Challenge. There is a limit to time/money you can do with each one as being a major player.   Personalities play in to this. These 3 are personal and motivational for us. Sorry if you disagree. But, these 3 have been good for us.

As a business owner, you can pick & choose who you think will help your business along when it comes to.....sponsorship so to speak. 


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Information presented last summer by Skip Batten, Neighborhood Improvement Advisor for the City of Middletown to the now-defunct HUD Consolidated Planning Committee plus City Councilmen Schiavone, Armbruster and Marconi, indicated that over $70,000 in federal funds were spent on this project in 2004 or 2005.  $46,000+ was attributable to rehab.
 
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To Ed Richter -
 
In the most recent e-mail that was sent to you, it was noted where a property on 8th Street was not only rehabbed, but a significant amount of HUD funds were used to refinance private debt.  This information was fully shared with the HUD Consolidated Planning Committee and City Councilmen Schiavone, Marconi and Armbruster by Skip Batten.
 
In addition to that situation, Skip mentioned that a minimum of five other previous housing rehab participants had private debt refinanced with HUD funds.  Skip has the original files for all of this and he provided copies of some information to City Councilman Marconi.
 
All of the above happened prior to my arrival in Middletown.
 
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Would this have been caught in the most recent HUD audit IF- the audit wasn't treated as just a glossed over visit and been done in a thorough fashion? What would have happened if a real HUD auditor saw this info- specifically the part about the refinancing of private debt?
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A realtor member of the now-defunct HUD Consolidated Planning Committee for Middletown researched this matter.  Property taxes are delinquent dating back to 2002.  How could past and present City staff approve ANYONE for housing rehab loans and grants if their property taxes are delinquent?  Please tell us Queen of Middletown?ConfusedConfusedConfused
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QUEEN JUDY BANS VIVIAN MOON FROM WORKING AT HISTORIC PIONEER CEMETERY
 
Wake up Queen Judy!  Vivian Moon has done so much to preserve and protect the Historic Pioneer Cemetery!  And now, I hear that you have BANNED HER from doing any work there?  Tell us that this HEARTLESS NEWS is not true!CryCryCry
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This would be a grave error in judgement if true.  What say you Ms. Vivian?
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PacMan....I appreciate your response & honesty.
spiderjon....I haven't figure you out yet. But I know who you are, too.

Please check out 15 N Clinton and you will realize my testiness / reluctance / privacy / questions / supportive downtownness / bitchy attitude. Whatever you "guys" want to call it. It seems me and Vivian are the only female posters on here.

I know I have to redo the crooked graphics on the window.
Yes, the landlord knows.
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I will make sure to stop by and check out your new business.
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Originally posted by MadisonMom MadisonMom wrote:

It seems me and Vivian are the only female posters on here. 
Is THAT our fault, too???
(Actually, there are others...and some who prefer to keep their gender undisclosed.)
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