Hamilton Automated Speed Ticket Van

I find this a bit too 'bigbrotherish' if that's a word.

If you hate red light cams, you will really hate the Police Van Speed Cam.

I think it's great !! We have to put a stop to these criminals speeding and running red lights !! It's not about the money,it's about keeping everyone safe. Safety is a primary concern in our communities today. America's roadway's are full of congestion,so monitoring speed and red light's should be everyone's concern. If you witness a speeder or red light runner do your duty as a good American and report them to your nearest law enforcement officer. Let's rid our society of this criminal element. Thank you and remember to vote in November !!

Hermes not in Hamilton they already copped to the RedLight Cameras being a revenue generating venture for them.

Pacman wrote: Hermes not in Hamilton they already copped to the RedLight Cameras being a revenue generating venture for them.   Now in Middletown that would be another story.

For goodness sake Pacman don't end up like John,please remain the good law abiding citizen that you are. I couldn't sleep at night knowing that your out there running red lights and speeding. And as a good citizen keep an eye on that John,I can tell by his postings he's a little fishey.

Hermes, I tryed your solution last summer when I called the police dept. and complained about speeders on my street. They told me that they were too short-handed to have a patrol car to come over and just sit,which I then ask if I could videotape these speeders. I was told unless the police seen them theirselves that they couldn't do anything. This is the exact reason that I am totally confused about the legallity of the red lights, seems to be a double standard here.

Hey pacman--no worries your way.

Revenue collection in the guise of "police" work is freaking evil. It's crying out for mass civil disobedience. The cops are shaking down nominally law abiding citizens with automated equipment.

My brother told me this story: The city of Heath (near Newark, in Eastern OH) has installed red light cameras at major intersections. It is a BIG story there and citizens are outraged.

Why: the particular issue that many have with it is when you are stuck in the middle of the intersection while turning left against traffic that is not controlled. The light turns yellow, and then red, THEN the traffic stops, and FINALLY you can proceed and clear the intersection. In this instance the red light camera has recorded your vehicle because you were in the middle of the intersection at the instant the light turned red.  It's entirely a black/white, there-is-no-possible-extenuating-circumstances situation.

And those tickets stick, because there is no possible "interpretation". So you can't legally make a safe left turn when traffic is very heavy.

Re:  >> John if you speed or run red lights you are of the criminal element and YOU must be brought to justice !!

What an anal retentive weenie opinion. I despise careless drivers and yet I think this opinion is just totally and absolutely stupid. The law has the concept of "tolerance". When a human is administering the law, that is.

FWIW, speeding tickets are a revenue shakedown because it is much more clear cut to prosecute for speed than for other (much more dangerous) types of careless driving.

The a-hole who blocks traffic in an intersection through an entire traffic light cycle by creeping 12 feet past the stop line in the left lane doesn't get prosecuted but the poor schlub who was recorded transiently doing a few miles over the speed on a downhill does.

I think some laws are oppressive because common citizens are too stupid to demand reasonable enforcement standards.