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Originally posted by thoroughman thoroughman wrote:

 I personally am not yet aware of the plans and details in the building of such a place in the city. I know there has been talk from time to time. I would have to look over all aspects and details of such a choice.
Well, race tracks with pari-mutual wagering are perfectly legal businesses in the state of Ohio, and seven are in operation right now.  Several days ago, the Governor submitted and the state legislature approved a budget that included provisions for slot machines at at the seven race tracks, with the slots to be supervised by the State Lottery Commission.  The holders of the Lebanon Raceway racing licenses desire to relocate the track/slot emporium to a site to be determined near I-75 in either Butler or Warren County near an I-75 interchange.  Talk on the street is that a group have put together a land package "east of I-75 and south of SR 122, at least partially within Middletown.  (I believe that other groups have put together other packages all up and down I-75.)  It would mean about 300 high-paying construction jobs during construction, and probably at least 200 once operations begin. 
 
It's a LEGAL business closely supervised by the State of Ohio.  The owners have been operating the track for over 60 years without a problem.  Middletown is desperate for jobs and income tax.  WHAT MORE COULD YOU POSSIBLY NEED TO KNOW??? 
Originally posted by thoroughman thoroughman wrote:

I personally am not 100% sure that such business really helps communities? I would look at overall impact on entire city. I am also very open to hearing feedback as to why or why not have such a place.
See above!!!
Originally posted by thoroughman thoroughman wrote:

I have heard that River Downs just a little south is having problems with business.   As a personal preference I do not visit those types of businesses. However, I desire to do what is best for our city as a whole.
I don't understand this comment.  First, we are not discussing River Downs.  Second, and more importantly, it is NOT the job of the city council or any individual couincil member (or ANY city employee--NOT EVEN MR. KOHLER) to decide whether or not a business is viable.  If you don't feel it is a good investment, don't invest in it.  But think about the un-TOLLED [NOT a typo, I mean to say "I DARE them to ADD IT ALL UP in 2009 dollars] millions of taxpayers' dollars that city council has gambled on the same old RISKY SCHEME in our former downtown.  Talk about "having problems with business"!!!
Originally posted by thoroughman thoroughman wrote:

PLease understand I would need to know all details before I could really decide on that. Just based on what little amount I know about it right now. I would need to say no, but am open to hearing more about it.
So, does this mean that you will be saying "NO" to ALL new LEGAL business ventures by reputable, experienced business people that would bring hundreds of jobs to Middletown, until you know "ALL the DETAILS??? 
 
Is THAT what you are saying???
 
“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Mr. Throroughman- this is a no-brainer. A legal business, bringing jobs to the Middletown area. Heck, if I was running for Council, I'd go a step beyond that and be making an effort to bring a casino to Middletown, whether they plop it down on the Towne Mall site or put a couple of gambling boats on the Great Miami River by the West Middletown bridge. I want all the jobs I can get in town to give people an opportunity to be employed and to get money flowing in this town. I'd also invite ALL city businesses to sit down with me to discuss what I could do for them. I'd let them advertise til there little heart was content, give new businesses start up tax breaks and increase the tax burden only after they were healthy and viable. Offer them any means they wanted to use to market their business and try my best to make it as cost effective as I could. Will you make it a priority to work with the Econ. Dev. Department to steer them in the right direction? These poor souls are totally lost right now and have no clue how to bring employment to this town. If I were you as a councilman, I'd make this a priority. Will you make an effort to change the direction of the city manager and leaders focus on the streets, Section 8, downtown development, etc. because their current plan/direction is a failure and is ruining this town. Mr. Throughman- will you be different than what we have now as to leadership or are we to expect the same old type of nonsense from you if you are elected? Blunt- yes- Gets to the point- yes. No BS- yes.
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YES, I will be different!
I will listen to what the  people say and not hide and ignore.
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I apologize if you are mad about my post. I am not sure of all the details. I like to know details when making a choice when possible. I spoke of River Downs, simply because they are a similar business that is struggling. So how good would one do here? Most gambling business can also bring more problems into a town. People spending what they really don't have in hopes of getting more. I want more Jobs, but not at cost of destroying families.  I will only say no in very few cases. We want to make Middletown a place to be proud of and safe for us all.
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Mr.Thoroughman
I have spent most of my adult life around racetracks and gamblers.
From River Downs and the Lebanon Raceway to the Tribune Reserve at Longchamp(Paris) and the Royal Enclosure for the Royal Ascot meet(England).
From $500 purses to multi-million $$ Breeders Cup races.
I have bred, owned, sold and raced thoroughbreds for over 20 years(mostly at Santa Anita,Del Mar,Hollywood Park,Churchill Downs and Keeneland).
I have been in most Las Vegas casinos, however I have NEVER been to a gambling boat.
I have made wagers from a dime to multi-thousands.
I bet football and NCAA hoops annually.
 
Gambling is not the answer to anything constructive in the long haul.
Particularly the mindless forms of gambling such as slot machines and lotteries.
These "games" simply separate people from their $$, particularly those who need it the most. You don't see wealthy people playing slots or lottery on a regular basis.
 
The gambling industry is pimping racing simply as the venue to get their foot in the door.
Just like they have in every other state, except our governor was very open that HIS bill(despite gambling being voted down in Ohio FOUR times) had nothing to do with helping the racing game and is all about money for his budget.
 
Just like how our state lottery would save our schools, we will see little to nothing from today's version of gaming laws, outside of a few slightly above minimum wage jobs.
 
Believe me--when Middletown gets a casino, there will already be one on every corner in the state.
 
You are absolutely correct---gambling revenue will never be a meaningful answer to anything in the current age. It meant something back in it's early days b4 saturation and the disappearance of a large % of discretionary income.
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Thank you Spiderjohn.
Great Post
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Council members had no problem with giving Terry Wolfe (ex owner of Bristols) an opportunity to open 2 businesses here in Middletown.  One on Cincinnati Dayton Rd (club x-scape) and one for Club Roosevelt.  Seems both were busted for illegal gambling and illegal stripping/prostitution.  Even after his troubles with Bristols.  And now they are having problems with a legal business?  Maybe someone hasn't thrown enough money their way yet. 

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we need to restore this city, not destroy with "BAD" business.  Example, look at how MOnroe has grown. After Bristol's closed. I would just like to point that out.

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Originally posted by thoroughman thoroughman wrote:

we need to restore this city, not destroy with "BAD" business.  Example, look at how MOnroe has grown. After Bristol's closed. I would just like to point that out.
Mr. Thoroughman:
Perhaps you should consider running for a seat in the state legislature instead of city council.
 
That way you could work to properly change the Ohio Revised Code to eliminate businesses that you deem "BAD" in Ohio, instead of using your discretion to keep legal businesses out of a city starved for jobs and cash.
 
Just my opinion.
 
By the way, would you likewise view as "BAD" any new business that wanted to legally sell alcohol?
“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Pastor Thoroughman -
 
I sincerely ask you to please pray us citizens of Middletown who have a minimal voice in municipal affairs.  We certainly are in need of God's intervention.
 
God Bless You and Yours.
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Thank you for the blessing. It is my hope to bring a voice to the people of this city.

We need to make our voice heard.
 
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Thanks for the post, I do understand your thoughts. Know that my thought is that we need to make sure we are bringing jobs that will last and help improve the overall appeal to the city. We must look long term to see what the jobs will do for our home. Also, why is it a state will push to sell loto tickets claiming to bring all this money in. When in truth it takes money from people who may not have it to spend. Also, we pump millions into providing gambling addiction counseling. Not to mention foster homes to kids who have broken homes due to divorce and or addictions. Now I ask what have we really gained? I can recall memories of a parent spending our last few dollors on loto scratch offs. Then when no money was won. We were without food and money.
I know we need jobs, but we must make sure we reach for the good of all.
I am only asking for votes, if you agree. I understand those who don't , and I respect your thoughts. That is what America is all about, freedom to chose.
 
God Bless!
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Sounds like we should punish everyone because a few make bad decisions.  I will buy the occassional scratch off, lottery ticket or take a trip to the boats.   We've had scratch off for a couple decades now.  River Downs and Lebanon Raceways are well within driving distance.  Even the boats are well within driving distance.  Was there an increase in foreclosures when they opened?  How about when the lottery started?  I think gambling/ the lottery are just scapegoats.  I'm sure the people that lose their houses or have to put their kids in foster homes have other social issues that need to be addressed that are far more important that gambling. 
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Originally posted by thoroughman thoroughman wrote:

I am only asking for votes, if you agree. I understand those who don't , and I respect your thoughts. That is what America is all about, freedom to chose.
 
God Bless!
Robert
With all due respect, Sir, it sounds as if you want to make the decision whether or not to gamble for all of us.  I would prefer to allow everyone to have the freedom to make that choice for themselves. 
 
That is what America is all about, freedom to chose. 
 
Besides, do you really think that forcing folks to drive one or two exits north or south on I-75 will prevent all of the irresponsible people that you've described from acting irresponsibly?
 
If I learned my history correctly, one of the main reasons the early settlers came to America was for freedom of conscience.
“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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If I learned my history correctly, one of the main reasons the early settlers came to America was for freedom of conscience.
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I do understand where you are coming from.  However, I do stand firm in my convictions. Part of the problem in politics is people who pretend and lie about who they are. I want to be open about where I stand. That way you know who you are voting for.

Blessings, Robert
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I attempted to Quote you above, but it did not post correctly. I need to get some sleep.
Good Night.
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Originally posted by thoroughman thoroughman wrote:


I do understand where you are coming from.  However, I do stand firm in my convictions. Part of the problem in politics is people who pretend and lie about who they are. I want to be open about where I stand. That way you know who you are voting for.

Blessings, Robert
I also do understand where you are coming from, Sir.  And I admire a man who stands by his convictions.
 
However, another problem in politics (especially in Middletown) is that far too many politicians allow their personal preferences to trump what may be best for their constituents.  One may honestly and deeply believe that yellow and pink polka dots on a purple background are the very most attractive color scheme on earth.  That would not make it right to try to force everyone to paint their homes in that manner, no matter how strongly they hold that belief. 
 
There are already too many codes, ordinances, laws and rules, and too many contracts have been let or at least influenced by PERSONAL PREFERENCE in Middletown.  Such actions have harmed our city and its ecomomy irrepairably.
 
Not all belief systems are the same, and others hold their faith as strongly as you hold yours.  Does that give them the right to try to force their values on you?  I think not!!!  Please consider the hypothetical situation that five or six atheists landed on city council.  They might all sincerely believe that there are too many churches in town on what could be prime commercial land.  Do you think that they should be allowed to follow their consciences and keep churches out of town?  I would think that they have no more right to do that, than they would have the right to keep legal businesses that happen to sell alcohol or gambling opportunities out of town.
 
Respectfully,
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Originally posted by thoroughman thoroughman wrote:


I do understand where you are coming from.  However, I do stand firm in my convictions. Part of the problem in politics is people who pretend and lie about who they are. I want to be open about where I stand. That way you know who you are voting for.

Blessings, Robert
I also do understand where you are coming from, Sir.  And I admire a man who stands by his convictions.
 
However, another problem in politics (especially in Middletown) is that far too many politicians allow their personal preferences to trump what may be best for their constituents.  One may honestly and deeply believe that yellow and pink polka dots on a purple background are the very most attractive color scheme on earth.  That would not make it right to try to force everyone to paint their homes in that manner, no matter how strongly they hold that belief. 
 
There are already too many codes, ordinances, laws and rules, and too many contracts have been let or at least influenced by PERSONAL PREFERENCE in Middletown.  Such actions have harmed our city and its ecomomy irrepairably.
 
Not all belief systems are the same, and others hold their faith as strongly as you hold yours.  Does that give them the right to try to force their values on you?  I think not!!!  Please consider the hypothetical situation that five or six atheists landed on city council.  They might all sincerely believe that there are too many churches in town on what could be prime commercial land.  Do you think that they should be allowed to follow their consciences and keep churches out of town?  I would think that they have no more right to do that, than they would have the right to keep legal businesses that happen to sell alcohol or gambling opportunities out of town.
 
Respectfully,
Mike Presta
well said !   I couldnt agree more
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