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Mike_Presta
MUSA Council Joined: Apr 20 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3483 |
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CO: Sir, yes they will give it to you. I have an electronic copy. It is 595 page Adobe Portable Document Format (.PDF) document or I would post it here. Many pages list one owner with one property. Each unique owner has his/her/their/its properties listed on a separate page. There are no obvious suspects listed. However, there are many, many properties owned by LLCs, Corporations, “Groups”, etc. with names that do not give a clue regarding the actual owners’ identities. (For example: names similar to ABC, Inc., Scarlet & Purple LLC, The Oak Tree Group, etc.) There are also some names that sound familiar and may be mothers’ or even grandmothers’) maiden names. With a lot of digging, one could probably find the principals of such companies, but I would hazard a guess that there would be a further trail to follow to find the “real” owners. (I saw at least one property, having nothing to do with any government official, that I am fairly certain was set up as a tax shelter.) All of that having been said, the info is available to you or any other citizen but it will not easily yield any actionable information. If I knew your email, I would send you an e-copy. PS to Vivian: If you want a copy, let me know. I will email it. |
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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retired co
MUSA Resident Joined: Feb 25 2009 Status: Offline Points: 53 |
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Pacman First of all let me apologize for my typos I get mad and get in a hurry typing I try to correct them but I still miss a few. 2nd I doubt if I requested the list from the city if they would give them too me . Could it be that someone on council may have their hands in the section 8 vouchers with rental coming from section 8?
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Pacman
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jun 02 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2612 |
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Retired co put in a request for a list of all Section 8 Choice Voucher residences in Middletown and who owns them. As it is our tax payer money paying for it I would think it would be Public Info.
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When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
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retired co
MUSA Resident Joined: Feb 25 2009 Status: Offline Points: 53 |
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A 15 year loan with money as tight as it is for some folks. barley meeting mortgagae payments ,utillities and purchasing groceries. No momey to pay the loan back get yourself behind and they would step in take your home for a default . Then turn it into another section 8 house . I would love to know who has all these homes and is getting the money from sec8 I hope they can sleep well at night. They are destroying our little city turning it into a armpit.
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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A 15-year loan to fix rusty gutters? Why not just paint them?
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John Beagle
MUSA Official Joined: Apr 23 2007 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 1855 |
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I would take that loan and get my gutters fixed. 15 yr loan means cost per month would be very affordable.
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Hey Spider, Were these 2300 letters send to all wards or just certain wards? This is a good question to ask at the next Council Meeting. |
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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I read where 2300 of these letters have been mailed.
Wouldn't it be interesting if all 2300 contested the allegations and requested a court hearing? Mr.Adkins might be tied up for quite a while, also upsetting the criminal docket and prep.
Still--a united visit to the next Council session could be an option.
Would everyone be given an opportunity to speak, like during the Section 8 session?
Remember--these are citizens, not accused of any crime, and would be expressing their right to address their "accuser"(in this case the city).
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retired co
MUSA Resident Joined: Feb 25 2009 Status: Offline Points: 53 |
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Being retired and somewhat disabled myself I can sympathize with a lot of these poor folks. However why don't they get on these section 8 slum lords that folks are living in houses that should be condemned homes.
I have complained about a rental with trash trees growing up all over the back yard the condition of the roof on the house and was told they can't make the landlord cut the trees or clean up the brush . The area is a breeding ground for mosquitos in the summer also we have opossums and racoons using the area. I try to maintain my place as best as I can but I have had to hire somethings done for the up keep. I know of 2 instances of where an elderly lady had a notice sent to her about her privacy fence being replaced because rentals next door have destroyed it. I also know of a woman who has to paint the dormers windows in her place which is nearly impossible to get to without a lift.
While across the street from her are windows broken out yards look like rumpke mountain junk cars sitting on the streets . Same lady has to put a roof on a old garage
within 30 days and she has been told by her employer no pay raises in the next few years .
SO if you live on a fixed income , you are laid off, lost a job, or can't expect any pay raises for a few years you get notices to fix it. Well Middletown where is the money they are going to get their money trees are bare. I believe that come election time some of the ones on council will be joining some of our less fortunate in the unemployment line.
I'll say it for those less fortunate folks that are citizens of this armpit of a town. What part of we don't have the money for your demands don't you understand.
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here&now
MUSA Resident Joined: Feb 27 2009 Status: Offline Points: 61 |
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So here is the latest on my gutter situation. I found a phone number to call about this "assistance" the city has for these repairs of my gutters and the countless other people that received letters like mine. And the truth is there is not much "assistance at all. In fact a was told that I could fill out an application for a loan from the city at 3 percent and pay it back over 15 years. Now 3 percent is a great rate, I just found it funny that a city that is broke can loan me money at such a great rate.
I did ask for the application to be mailed to me,why not ? I would like to thank everyone for all the comments and if we are storming City Hall please let me know when. |
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Pacman If they can force the homeowners to clean and repair their propety then you can also make a business owner clean up their property...If Mr. Tuttle needs any help I have about 150 photographs that I'll be happy to share with him.
Hey I'm such a sweet little old lady that I'm even willing to do a "Show & Tell" at a Council Meeting. |
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Pacman
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jun 02 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2612 |
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Gee I just wonder how many times the city has violated it's own ordinances and used the excuse we don't have the money to fix the problem, or is the City exempt from fixing any of the issues it is responsible for?
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When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
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VietVet
MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008 |
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If this is really important to the city that they are sending out letters to property owners, Ann Mort's group is taking ideas for their list to improve Middletown. Perhaps Mort needs to place these "rusty gutter" projects on her list as they present the types of problems that Mort and her group want corrected to improve the image of the town. Property owner buys the paint- Mort's group supplies the elbow grease if the property owners are unable to do so. Just a suggestion. How about a barter system where the owner gets this work done in exchange for donating some time to one of Mort's projects.
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Mike Presta Ms. Moon
Are the gutters rusty on the vault in Pioneer Cemetery??? Perhaps we should send an appropriately edited version of Mr. Tuttle's letter to the City!!! Hey Mike I have a SPECIAL GIFT for Mr. Tuttle at the next Council Meeting. The vault doesn't even have any gutters or downspouts anymore because they rusted away years ago. The VIOLATIONS on the vault at the cemetery could fill an entire page....but the City doesn't have the money because times are tough....REALLY! However now the City is sending these letters to Senior citizens who can hardly pay their Duke bills and demanding they improve their properties...to young couples that have lost their jobs and living on unemployment and demanding they repair their properties....I'm afraid the the City has made a major mistake this time. I believe a Citizen's Revolt is about to occur. Spider has the correct approach to this "Clean Up Project". |
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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hey--at least two of my co-workers recieved the same letter, so there are probably a lot of these notices out there. I wouldn't worry about it.
HEY CITY PEOPLE:
Times are tough, and families living in these homes being scrutinized hardly have the funding for major home repairs, UNLESS y'all are ready to start using the HUD,CDBG and other grant funding towards those who need it, INSTEAD of down S.Main St. on the old mansions.
Why not start by visiting citizens to first encourage cleaning off their front porches,front yards,back yards and alleys? These efforts would only require a sincere effort and would cost next to nothing. Plus it would dramatically improve the overall appearance of our community and maybe inspire neighborhoods to maintain a good look.
The city is going to need the citizens come November, and currently there isn't much sympathy/support for the municipals. If ya want to slam the door shut now, go right ahead! The yob u save may be yer own!
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tomahawk35
MUSA Resident Joined: Nov 18 2008 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 223 |
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Count me in as a backup, you don't me to speak because of my short temper when I speak to morons.
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Impala SS
MUSA Resident Joined: Jan 12 2009 Location: middletown Status: Offline Points: 136 |
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So are we going to storm city hall council meeting on April 7, 2009? If so count me in also, we need to tell them to wash the windows on second floor. You can barely see through them check em out.
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Mike_Presta
MUSA Council Joined: Apr 20 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3483 |
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Are the gutters rusty on the vault in Pioneer Cemetery??? Perhaps we should send an appropriately edited version of Mr. Tuttle's letter to the City!!!
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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here&now
MUSA Resident Joined: Feb 27 2009 Status: Offline Points: 61 |
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MadisonMom- That is a very good question you asked and to answer you. No the house is in really good shape, are there things I would like to improve upon? Of course but what home owner doesn't have things they would like to do to there house? |
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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I will be speaking at the next City Council Meeting |
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MadisonMom
MUSA Citizen Joined: Dec 09 2008 Location: MadisonTownship Status: Offline Points: 298 |
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So...would a City employee actually fix the gutters...OR...would they hire a business inside/outside the City to fix your gutters.....
I truly don't understand unless your house if falling apart. |
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Pacman
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jun 02 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2612 |
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Mike for you we will make it a Hurricaine you know one of those Florida ones that just slowly moves up the coast over a few days. Ah I don't miss those suckers.
But truthfully the only way to get some answers at a council meeting would be for a large, very large group to show up. Citizens comments, I think Council just sits their and day dreams now and says next...........
Need a few good speakers and lots of backup.
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When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
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Mike_Presta
MUSA Council Joined: Apr 20 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3483 |
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Ooops...wait...how fast must one be able to move to be qualified to "STORM"???
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Mike_Presta
MUSA Council Joined: Apr 20 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3483 |
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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