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Bill
MUSA Citizen Joined: Nov 04 2009 Status: Offline Points: 710 |
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Posted: Aug 20 2010 at 10:51am |
gotta love the ridiculous throw-away comments of PAC deal supporters "oh well, gotta try something". I would agree if we were simply swinging a reasonable deal to allow PAC to operate there. Maybe giving the building away in exchange for certain guarantees on hiring, payroll tax, etc. But to support the actual deal as if it is not a desperate giveaway of precious few city resources is being dishonest at best.
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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So gemini agrees with himself? lol
Hey smart guy--no one really opposed the project. Actually most see it as a plus.
However--many ? taxpayer funding and a prime property giveaway to a multi-millionare from out of town. I guess that the supporters expect to rub elbows at Indian Hill art gatherings now?
Mr.Verdin is the only positive in this project.
The local art community is still clueless and hasn't been able to create any business growth and can barely support themselves without taxpayer handouts.
just a bozo here
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gemneye70
MUSA Resident Joined: Mar 10 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 83 |
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agree
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gemneye70
MUSA Resident Joined: Mar 10 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 83 |
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Don't listen to these bozos JL...do what you think is best for the city. I for one like the PAC idea...beats doing nothing and then sitting around bitching about it like some others.
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VietVet
MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008 |
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Mr. Laubach, Mr. Smith, Ms. Scott-Jones.......just out of curiousity, and off the record, how did you view what took place with the Pendleton approval? Do you still think it is the right move to make and why? What do you think your response will be if it fails in a few years or if Verdin backs out for some reason? How will council explain the rehab cost while sitting on another empty building, should that happen?
Thank you in advance for any and all responses if you choose to do so. |
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randy
MUSA Official Joined: Jan 13 2009 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 1586 |
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Sal, that would be one lonely forum, seeing how not much positive is happening in this town. You and groupie could chat back and forth about what a great town this is and how the mall is such a great shopping place. Talk about coming to visit for a good laugh.
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VietVet
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Hey Sal- your first post said you had better things to do with your time than to post on this site. Why are you back? Thought you didn't like us "older than 40" people? Afraid you might learn something here, youngun'?
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Sal
Outsider Joined: Aug 16 2010 Status: Offline Points: 2 |
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Hey town mall groupie...
We should start a forum for positive support and encouragement and fight the good fight against the constant Middletown lamenting. However, I do get a laugh from them on my breaks from economic studies. What you think.....? |
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Sal
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VietVet
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groupie- What????? Hillbillies usually like casinos??? Most people that frequent casinos usually have money to spend. The sterotypical hillbilly has no money, right? What's the connection if true?
Yeah, I'd like a casino to locate in Middletown. Would certainly stimulate money flow. Would create jobs and would attract residual restaurants and other attractions aka- Lawrenceburg- Argosy. The downtown would light up like a Christmas tree with development if you stuck a casino there. Would draw people from all over if they knew they had a chance to win some money while enjoying themselves. Would certainly stimulate more growth and jobs than this arts nonsense and this Pendleton artists concept. That idea will do little to nothing for the downtown nor the town in general and will benefit a limited amount of people. JMO The Towne Mall- a shadow of it's former self in the 70's/80's. Never marketed correctly, never had any chance of success when considering Tri-County or the Dayton Mall as to shopping choices. A small town operation for a small town mindset. |
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townemallgroupie
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Hillbillies usually like casinos. How would you guys feel about bringing a casino to Middletown? That's the only thing I would put in place of the Towne Mall, again, the most underrated mall in the United States. |
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Bobbie
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jun 05 2009 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 288 |
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Sal - you knock everyone on here for their "intellectual" comments. Explain yours to us - you are acting like a 12 year old. If you want to play with the grown ups - then post your side of the debate on why you think Pendleton is great for the city.
Personnally I do not have a problem with the Art Center - but the deal he is getting is not right by any means. Since you are young - go talk to some economic professors - and they will tell you this will not generate money to the city. Nor will a monthly garage sale add business to the downtown area.
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randy
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TownMall, dont forget pot holes large enough to swallow your car.
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Bill
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Bring on the wrecking ball!! I want a six story office tower full of corporate headquarters....like AK, Contech, First Financial.....oh wait...on second thought....
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townemallgroupie
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Don't underestimate the Towne Mall. It has something for everybody. If you're into coins, it has "Middletown Coin Connection." If you're into vitamins, it has "Vitamin World." If you're into farmer's markets, it has "Farmer Frank's." If you're into sports, it has "Dunham's Sports." If you're into jewelry, it has "Roger's Jewelers." If you're into nails, it has "Cincinnati Nails." If you're into crickets, it has a "Cricket" store. WTF else do you guys want??? The penny horse from Meijer??? Now get on over there and support the place before it has a date with a wrecking ball!
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randy
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Sal, thanks for your post. I do have a question for you, and I dont care if you respond or not ( which you wont). If you are in the age range of Mr. Laubach, then you are also in my age range. So, I have to ask...do you like living in a town that has 1600 section 8 vouchers, a town that has the worst roads around. A town that has leaders that only think of what is good for them and their friends??
You talk about people on this site like they do not know what is happening in this town any one with half a brain can see the shape we are in. I guess you cant see it, so half a brain is what you must be missing.
I hope when the art center does come to the downtown area you enjoy yourself there, make sure to help the crack heads and hookers you find in that area, since you seem to care so much about our fair city.
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Sal
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You people have nothing better to do with your time than to complain complain complain and post your "intellectual" thoughts on here. You give people like me the occasional laugh (which I am young by the way) because I spend the majority of my time learning from people who aren't wasting their time with silly forum posts and are actually courageous enough to help and empower young people like me and Mr. Laubach. What a poor example you..."intellectuals" and well experienced people are for young guys like myself. You're all a joke too me. I'm glad I don't know you but I do learn from you and that is...what I don't want to be when I get "40 years" under my belt.
First and last post. I have more important things to do than read your mindless negativity. |
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Bill
MUSA Citizen Joined: Nov 04 2009 Status: Offline Points: 710 |
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It would seem to me that getting more notoriety for taking care of existing businesses, getting serious on the sewer and street issues (what about municipal bonds?), and leveling more useless buildings to create more "shovel ready sites" would be a better approach for potential rebirth of Middletown.
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wasteful
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 27 2009 Status: Offline Points: 793 |
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From the photos on the Journal's website the ARt and Music Festival looked like a bust to me. No more than 10 or so people in any picture.
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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hey groupie---how many art purchases have you made at Beau Verre?
When was the last time that you were there?
Did you support ACF ana MAMF?
What art is at Towne Mall?
Any report on the MAMF music fest in the former downtown area last Saturday?
Great bands and music variety.
No coverage in the MJ--no crowd estimates or reviews--no organizational comments
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VietVet
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Nice try groupie- actually, you can't stereotype rednecks with NASCAR anymore. The backyard, redneck, junker race cars in the old days of NASCAR (50's-60's) are a thing of the past. There's big money in NASCAR now and, like all racing, has gone upscale. (Personally, I like Mid-Ohio-Audi, Corvette, BMW, Porsche racing, not NASCAR), but it is still quite expensive to race.
2 for 1 Frickers???? Naw, don't get out much these days. You still want the arts downtown after all of these posts and all the data and reasons why this is a bad idea? All of this is not convincing enough for you? Risking your taxpayer money on a venture like this doesn't throw up any caution flags for you? Giving Verdin a free ride on the taxpayer's back doesn't bother you? Concentration of something as insignificant as the arts when this town is on life support as to the need for the basics doesn't worry you? Mercy! |
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townemallgroupie
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THE GROUPIE WILL NOT TOLERATE THIS: Bring some artsy stuff to town. You rednecks need a little a little culturing. It can't be NASCAR and 2-for1s at Fricker's all the time, dammit!
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Bill
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This whole approach by, I assume Judy and Kohler, boggles the mind. This city has spent years making it tough for any existing business to survive here, from battling AK execs over income tax collection years ago, to essentially running/ignoring the AK HQ out of town, to turning down interest by viable businesses to purchase the Swallen's building, and on and on and on. No, we wouldn't want actual businesses to stay in town and pay city income taxes, but we do want artsy businesses to open up and never have any chance of contributing to tax base. It's as if city admin wants us to become Yellow Springs.
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spiderjohn
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Much better presentation Mr.P.
I doubt that I will attend tomorrow evening.
Outside of "Citizens' Comments", there will be no public discussion(when was public discussion on this legislation outside of on MUSA?). I'm sure that our Mayor will have his 3-minute timer for any of our comments, though Mayor Mulligan responded to my email in a very prompt,open and courteous manner. Also Ms.Scott Jones responded. Nothing from my ward Councilmember(for the 2nd time--2 different issues).
Though if there is a large group going down to voice their opinions, I will be there.
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Mike_Presta
MUSA Council Joined: Apr 20 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3483 |
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Below is the SECOND email that I sent to all council members this morning.
I had planned to attend the meeting tomorrow, though it sounds like it will do no good.
Is anyone else up to it???
Lady and gentlemen of City Council:
Please find below, a listing of reasons why you should vote against, and lobby your fellow council members to vote against, Ordinance No. O2010-53, the Pendleton Art Center Proposal, at tonight’s meeting:
Anyway, other than the above 24, I can only think of a few dozen more reasons to vote “NO” on this terrible piece of legislation, but it is way past my bedtime and I am very tired of typing. However, I do have one question for you esteemed council members, or for city staff): Can anyone explain to us mere citizens EXACTLY why this will be "a great thing" using actual facts and figures? That is, can anyone explain why it will be "a great thing" using ANYTHING other than wishes and dreams? |
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Mike_Presta
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Just a quick note:
I'm feverishly working on an email listing all the reasons (voluminous) why to vote NO!!
I'll post it after I email it.
I won't address Mr. Laubach individually, it'll be to entire council.
One aside to Mr. Laubach (maybe I'll get more respect If I call him "Mr."):
YOU were the one who introduced Messrs. Jefferson and Smith into this discussion!!! I'd be interested in hearing ANY quotes you might be aware of wherein EITHER of those gentlemen indicate that they would vote for something such as this!!!
I won't hold my breath waiting for a response, I know that you're busy.
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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