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By the way, Mr. Plum, THAN YOU!!! Embarrassed
 
I am honored!!!  I have never before been call "A PIT BULL" for the tax payers!!! Big%20smile
“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Mr. Plum:

If you feel that I am being too hard on either you or Mr. Laubach, I am sorry that you feel that way. However, I cannot apologize for my remarks.

If you have closely followed these message boards, you might’ve noticed that I have tried to back Mr. Laubach as he stood against superior numbers on council.

However, there were some actions by Mr. Laubach that demand that he be held accountable!!

First, it was he who introduced the spirit of Adam Smith into the conversation, which indicated that he (Mr. Laubach) knows better than to vote for such a preposterous proposition, yet he intends to do so anyway!!! This is unconscionable.

Second, he has repeatedly stated that he will not “look back”, yet to look “look back” is a simple exercise that can be a lesson as to why a proposition such as this PAC is a mistake: it has been tried before right here in Middletown, with the same arguments being used on behalf of BeauVerre and resulting in no benefits to the taxpayers. This is a simple, clear and relevant lesson that can be learned if Mr. Laubach, a history teacher, would just look at Middletown’s recent history. Mr. Laubach, and “THIS council” is on the verge of repeating a mistake of “past councils”!! A simple “look back” will prevent this, yet he refuses to take this look. It is not a matter of assigning blame to past councils. It is a matter of learning from history to avoid repeating mistakes!!!

Third, it is simply poor business judgment, and a violation of the vow taken by all public servants, to allow public funds to be squandered on project with such a poor likelihood of success and with what appears to be no real business plan nor solid economic analysis.

Simply stated, just because we find ourselves in a hole does NOT dictate that we keep digging. Yet that is what you seem to indicate that we do by subsidizing Mr. Verdin with this sweetheart deal. Just because we have wasted tens of millions of dollars on failed similar plans downtown, wasting another million or so makes no sense. Why not try actual business instead of the repeatedly failed OldeTyme, arts, crafts, antiques, Main Street Plans that have failed over and over and over?  Mr. Plum, our city staff will not even allow anyone to attempt a real business downtown using their own funds.  They refuse all but the "Main street Plan"-type subsidized non-productive enterpises with "snob appeal" that have failed over and over.

Sorry, Mr. Plum, but we must purge city hall of all of the anti-business types, including all senior staff in favor of this project and all council members who vote for it. It will be nothing but another nail in the coffin of not only downtown, but also all of our city!

PS:  Mr. Plum: Any idea what the attendance has been to date at the "143rd American Watercolor Society Exhibition"???  It is supposed to be a draw from the ENTIRE MID-WEST section of America!!!  It has been going on since (I believe) the last Friday in July and continues through this weekend at Middletown Arts Central.  Yet, I'd wager that for the entire run to date, they did not outdraw even ONE Broad Street Bash!!!  So where are all of these "patrons of the arts", Mr. Plum???  If they didn't show up for this national, once a year event, how can we honestly expect them to show every month for 20 local artist here in Middletown???  Sorry, but it just doesn't make sense!!!  It would make more sense to provide seed money to "The Bash".
“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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With the exception of the swallens building i have yet to see anything worth buying that has been torn down.To purchace a building is one thing to renovate and maintain is somthing else.After this real estate collaspe no bank would consider loaning money for an old downtown commercial building period. Who besides perry would even think about buying downtown.Who has that kind of pocket change?So we can tear it down,sell it for pennies to someone who probably cant afford to do anything but let it deteriorate,or take a chance on someone with a track record of success but to get him is gonna take a sweatheart deal.I would take the chance but hey im a moron {see origional post and being torn to schreads by Mr.presta}
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Mike I don't know you but, I have to admit I feel like I've been chewed on by a pit bull. My take simply put their were members of past councils who I've felt were not above voting on projects that could help themselves politically and finacially. Josh is to honest to do either of those and politically in the long run it will hurt him. So it bothers me the way you guys are beating him up on this one issue when he takes it personally [I mean hes posting rebuttals] when I feel he brings a lot of positives to council.
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Originally posted by Kelly Kelly wrote:


Contact your Council person and let them know what a great thing this will be to continue with the rehabilitation of the core of the Downtown.
Can anyone explain to us EXACTLY why this will be "a great thing" using actual facts and figures? Can anyone explain why it will be "a great thing" using ANYTHING other than wishes and dreams?

For that matter, can anyone explain why BeauVerre was "a great thing" for Middletown??? Or why they were worth the hundreds of thousands of tapayers' dollars that were "invested"??  Can anyone tell us what we got in return for our money???

Perhaps Council should ask these questions BEFORE they vote next Tuesday???
“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Mr. Laubach -
 
As one of your Ward 3 constituents, please consider the following:
 
1)  require that the City of Middletown publish a Request for Proposals/Qualifications for the utilization of up to $500,000 in available funds for bonafide downtown redevelopment proposals; and,
2)  provide a listing of vacant, City-owned land in the downtown core that's available for quality reuse as well.
 
Such a RFP/Q process MUST INCLUDE current owners of downtown real estate as well as proven LOCAL ENTREPRENEURS seeking to expand current business operations.
 
Wouldn't this approach generate a number of worthwhile proposals to consider?  Isn't that a wothwhile stategy for the City in utilizing limited funding and vacant land in the downtown core?  Wouldn't it also produce an open, transparent process instead of the usual private negotiating methods?
 
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wow--big words  being tossed around.
 
Seems Council is measuring input recieved on this issue.
So--if you have a strong feeling either way, you should voice those thoughts to Councilmembers by what'ever means possible.
Cou;d well make the difference.
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Mr. Tango:
Do you not read your own writings, sir?
As Mr. Presta pointed out, you wrote: "broad street bash has shown people will go downtown for the right reasons.”
Compared to the crowds attracted by events sponsored by Middletown Arts Central, the crowds at Broad Street Bash are relatively speaking, quite large.  The events to be held at the Pendleton will be much like those held at MAC, and nothing like the events at the Broad Street Bash.
 
Yet, in your most recent post, you state "their is no way to say who is right in this case."
 
Sir, you had already answered this question.  "broad street bash has shown people will go downtown for the right reasons.”  It is apparent that the arts are not "the right reasons."
 
The People have spoken.  It is illogical and immoral to defy the will of The People.
 
Also, the government should not be concocting future plans in the privy.  Such plans tend to be odiferous.
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Well mike their is no way to say who is right in this case , the future will telland just maybe you are not privy to all the future plans of the city I hope. I have faith in LAUBACH  I have spoke with Laubach a several times and he is very bright and does his homework. I am just glad to see council is not expanding section 8 again like the past did.
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Methinks BeauVerre is reading MUSA.....from Facebook...


BeauVerre Riordan Please show your support for the Pendleton Art Center locating in Downtown Middletown at 7 North Broad St. Contact your Council person and let them know what a great thing this will be to continue with the rehabilitation of the core of the Downtown. If you are looking for a gallery space we are accepting names to refer to the PAC owner Mr Verdin. Space is limited apply early. They plan to be open by Thanksgiving...
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Plum: I trust that you raise what you believe to be legitimate points. I think that you, along with the rest of us (and, indeed, all citizens) deserve any concerns to be addressed in a straightforward manner by the city. However, I doubt that anyone’s concerns will be addressed by anyone from city hall. Please allow me to address your comments/concerns as straightforwardly as I can:

You say:

“as a middletown taxpayer im also not thrilled about more tax dollers being spent downtown.but you have to start somewhere and i like the way the city has been tearing down junk propertys.”

Some would agree with this, some would disagree. I do know for a fact that there were offers of hundreds of thousands of dollars made for some of the properties downtown that have been razed. These offers were summarily rejected by city officials because the uses (such as apartments for senior citizens and an enhanced Seniors’ Center) did not “meet certain city officials liking”. Both downtown and throughout the city, certain city officials have their minds made up what they want, without regard for the commercial realities of the twenty-first century world. At this point, I am almost ready to agree that to bulldoze the entire area formerly known as “downtown”, including city hall, might be the best thing for the entire city.

You continue:

“i think for the first time in a long time downtown is on the way up.“

I would agree with you, but only if city hall would open the entire area up for free market, commercial development. The problem is, city hall will not keep their biased noses out of it and continue to insist on following a taxpayer-subsidized, failed model that most likely ensures failure and at best guarantees limited success for a single, subsidized business with which no other private businesses will be able to compete.

You continue:

“i really like what larry lewis has done with that corner high rise.”

I am unsure which high rise you mean. I searched the records of the Butler County Auditor and found over 50 properties owned by “Lewis Consolidated”, including 1108, 1120, 1119 and 1123 Central Avenue. It does appear from the street that some remodeling has gone on (besides the taxpayer subsidized facades) to the buildings on the south side of the street, but I have no other knowledge of these properties, or their proposed uses, so I cannot comment further.  Perhaps you could enlighten us???

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“and broad street bash has shown people will go downtown for the right reasons.”

Yes, I agree!!! You are correct, which means that city hall is once again WRONG!!! Perhaps you will recall that “The Bash” was NOT a brainstorm of city hall but was the idea and work product of the PRIVATE SECTOR, with very little assistance from city hall and NO TAXPAYER SUBSIDY!!! I think that you also seem to emphasize the point that many here have been making. The THOUSANDS of people in the crowds at the Broad Street Bashes are NOT the same people that you would see at any local art exhibit, are they? Do you EVER expect a local art exhibit to attract a crowd in the THOUSANDS that will purchase over THREE THOUSAND bottles of beer, or spend over TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS total (overall) in just a few hours on ANYTHING???

The last art auction that I recall in Middletown was at MUM during their 40th anniversary gala. I’d estimate that the attendance was WAY less than a thousand, that the actual number of bidders was less than one hundred. (NOTE 1: Most of the tuxedoed and gowned attendees were crowded around the FREE “champagne and shrimp” during the actual auction.) (NOTE 2: For those of you who think that I am an “art-hating cheapskate”, please be informed that I was the successful bidder on a teapot by a local artisan at this affair, AND I swilled NONE of the free booze.) Anyway, the point is, compare the crowds at The Bash to the crowds drawn by ANY local “arts” affair and then examine your statement again: “and Broad Street Bash has shown people will go downtown for the right reasons.” Unfortunately, the Pendleton Arts Center (PAC) is NOT The Broad Street Bash, and The Bash doesn’t even need a HALF MILLION DOLLAR TAX PAYER SUBSIDY!!!   The PAC is NOT the "right reason!!!"

Next, you state:

“i also know laubach and marconi personally and laubach has only the best interests of middletown at heart…”

That is what I thought about Mr. Laubach up until now, but I believe that he is making a grave mistake on this one! Also, having the city’s best interest at heart does NOT mean that he is always correct.

You continue:

“…and [Laubach] has tried to overcome alot of terrible desicions made by the last council.

That may be what you think, but Mr. Laubach has repeated stated that “there is no use in looking back at what past councils have done.”  In this case, if Mr. Laubach would “look back“, he would be able to clearly see that he is about to repeat the same mistake that past council persons, including Mr. Marconi, have made! Beau Verre was heavily subsidized by the tapayers, just as PAC is about to be. What has been the return to the taxpayers? All of the arts, and all of the history projects, and all of the Olde Tyme shenanigans and all of the “Main Street stakesholders” cr*p have ALL been heavily subsidized by the taxpayers over and over and over, and always with no return. Any one who tries to state differently should be asked WHY we still have any empty downtown EXCEPT on the few nights every summer for The Bash!!! Can YOU, Plum, tell us why???

In closing, you state:

“would you really rather have marconi back? i mean at least laubach is a straight shooter”

NO! And this has nothing to do with Marconi, except that if Laubach would look back, he would see that this is one of the things that he would’ve said Marconi was doing WRONG! Laubach seems to have been straight shooter--so far. But this time he is clearly wrong!!! Laubach has even invoked the spirit of Adam Smith, an economist who would ABHOR a move such as the proposed taxpayer-subsidized PAC monopoly. Laubach needs to re-read Adam Smith, re-think his position, seek advice OUTside city hall, lobby his colleagues and DEFEAT THIS DOWNTOWN-KILLING proposition!!!

And Plum, if you calmly study the facts, you will agree. Re-read you own statements. The answer lies right within them!!!

“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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as a middletown taxpayer im also not thrilled about more tax dollers being spent downtown.but you have to start somewhere and i like the way the city has been tearing down junk propertys.i think for the first time in a long time downtown is on the way up.i really like what larry lewis has done with that corner high rise.and broad street bash has shown people will go downtown for the right reasons.i also know laubach and marconi personally and laubach has only the best interests of middletown at heart and has tried to overcome alot of terrible desicions made by the last council.would you really rather have marconi back? i mean at least laubach is a straight shooter.
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Mike, I don't think shy is in your vocabulary!!! LOL
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Gee, I am shy Embarrassed ...and usually reluctant to get involved in community affairs or to state my opinions publicly Stern%20Smile ... but let me check my calender, and I'll consider it.
“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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While I have aurgued with many on this board over time on different issues it was mostly for fun. What is being discussed here are serious issues and I could not agree more  with Spider. I have a vested interest in this community, a home owner, manager of a bog box, and haviing a student that is a senior this year at MHS, and a spouse employed by the schools. She takes pride in her sucesses and works hard to motivate others to do the same.
I do believe that is time that we all unite and we all show up at a council meeting and demand time to speak or demand their resignations. This city will not survive another year of this crap.
 
Spider you can count on me,,call me or email me and lets get a group together and approch council with othe real demand os the community. I am a realist and know that you cannot relive the past, but there is no reason we cannot rise out of the septic tank and be an All American City again.
 
I'm willing, how about the rest of you?
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If they want to spend tax dollars so bad, why don't they try to revive some Middletown staples, like Capozzi's or get Central Pastry to move to the building. Something that will really bring traffic down there. These art lovers do not have any real net worth to be buying valuable "works of art", like someone else said, they're just wanting to throw little wine tasting parties so they can act important. 20 years from now, 99% of any art that could come from that PAC place will be at garage sales for $1.
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IMO--it is the "part-time" Council thing that hurts us. These officials aren't compensated enough to allow the position/issues their proper attention/study. Still--our govt. is set up with a "strong" city manager, who is guided by our Council's intent--who should be guided by the citizens' intent. Council is to guide the city manager/admin in the direction preferred by the citizens for the good of the entire community.
 
Since our city govt./Council/Admin is not really receptive to public opinion, it might be time for the large task of re-structuring just how the municipal branch is to function.
 
As a whole, the "Arts" concept has been worked very hard down there already.
Throwing more taxpayer $$ at the same concept is ludicrous.
 
These properties should have been marketed to proven successful LOCAL businesses for a WIDE variety of shopping/service optons. Performance contingencies, while non-existent so far(a HUGE MISTAKE) should be mandatory,strictly monitored in order to recieve any funding.
 
With these p[owerful 80 "stakeholders" and big-name/$$ organizations in the mix, city funding should actually be little and specialized towards those that need it most and offer the greatest possible economic improvements.
 
As often with govt., there might be far too few successful business owners involved, and far too many municipal/public sector bureaucrats with little private business experience. Eliminate the big govt./big brother process from economic development. Seldom does it work.
 
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Oops, wait, I got confused!!!  The last time at least three restaurants DID "pop up", but I don't recall more than two at a time nor do I think any of them lasted more than a year or two. did they???
 
What DID we get for the hundreds of thousands that we "invested" in Beau Verre???
 
“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Great idea, Tomahawk!!! Every council person who has enough confidence in this obvious scam to vote to throw hundreds of thousands of the taxpayers’ dollars down the sewer, should certainly be willing to kick in a few thousand of their own.

They can have their money back after 5 or 6 new restaurants “pop up” (and STAY "popped up" for at least five years) just like they did after Beau Verre sucked up so many hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars so many years ago. Didn’t we hear all of these same predictions of upcoming glory due to art for downtown development back then???

Of course that was a different council and we shouldn’t “look back” now, should we??? Of course not!!! If we “look back” we might learn something, mightn’t we???

NO, rather than “look back” and learn from our errors, “this council” intends to muddle forward and make the exact same dad-gummed mistake that prior councils have made, and WASTE OUR MONEY. “THIS council” would rather inhibit free trade by subsidizing this one, single "packager", thereby FOREVER guaranteeing him a MONOPOLY on art studios, coffee shops, and framing stores within MILES of downtown Middletown!!! This will likely cause HIGHER prices, FEWER “artists”, LESS overall commerce downtown, and concurrently INCREASE poverty, crime, and hasten the decline and the ENTIRE city!!

Good job, city hall!!!

“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Excellent idea tomahawk35. Any council member that votes to approve this waste of tax dollars should be required to invest their council pay to the project.

I noticed Josh stopped responding to posts on here. I guess he thinks we are stupid and believe him when he says he doesn't check this message board.
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I have been reading about this generous offer that our city leaders has decided (for us)to hand  over our tax money so a few of their croonies can dress up and sip wine and act like they are somebody. I just hope that they don't hit a pothole on their way to beautiful downtown Middletowm.

While I was cutting grass today I was thinking about all the conversations that I read last night on the board concerning this decision and it hit me like a ton of rocks that if the council people are so sure of this goldmine that they are so compelled to waste our money on this lark would they be willing to give up their salary they receive for being on council for just one year to show the citizens that they are completely behind this decision. They could reduce their total contribution from the taxpayer's fund and this would show everyone that we could really believe in their confidence in this endeavor.
It's real easy to gamble with other people's money but this way we could see what they are really made of.
Hey council members, are there any takers willing to spend your own dime on this great step forward for Middletown.
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This issue does not have to be approved as it stands, and as an emergency at the next Council meeting.
It is honestly no emergency at all.
Hopefully Council will clear their heads, and take the time to understand that a much more productive arrangement can be made, particularly for their tax-paying constituents.
Maybe a few locals could find a better use for the property, and create more meaningful jobs for other locals.
Maybe stringent conditions could be put on the use ofthis free property, in order to satisfy/justify the cost of refurbishment.
Maybe Council should control the use of $250,000 in taxpayer funds as to how Pendleton(or whomever) desires to modify the structiure. Under the current legislation, couldn't Verdin/Pendleton use this $$ for their Admin salaries/expenses as they choose?
 
Look at the Beau Verre project.
Beautiful building--exceptional local business--hard-working local owners--but a taxpayer expense that has done little to spike any area recovery. The medicine shop/snack bar couldn't exist though constanly being re-invented. 56 Degrees was a wonderful place that didn't survive.
 
I love art.
This discussion is really not about "Art" or another effort to create an art district in the area.
Simply look at the Arts Central Foundation.
It is constantly on life support(I have and will support ACF), with really nothing having had any stay power so far.
You can only try something so many times before you have to accept the idea that what you "want" may not be what is needed or will work. Obviously the public response has been underwhelming.
 
I really have to ? any Councilmember who would approve this project as it is written at this time.
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With all due respect, Tango, there are businessmen and developers who have found solutions and have been willing to risk their own money to implement their visions, BUT (there's always a "but", isn't there?)...
 
...CITY HALL REFUSES TO ALLOW SUCH INVESTMENT, simply because it doesn't meet the HIDDEN AGENDA of artsy-fartsy, antique, craftsy, high-brow snobbery mandated by their behind-the-scenes "handlers" (MMF et al)!!!
 
CITY HALL does not care about providing good paying jobs for skill laborers or tradespeople, that may conflict with their desired "sophisticated" image.
 
If Kohler had his way (and he is well on his way) there would be NO SIGN of commerce or industry anywhere in this city unless it was pre-approved by his friends! What businessman wnats a business that no one can find???
 
For heaven's sake, some new businesses east of I-75 had to BEG for a temporary variance just to put up signs because job applicants could not find them when those businesses needed to hire people.  That is INSANE, yet our city leaders sat behind their curvy counter with their usual blank looks on their faces, asked no questions, and OK'ed whatever Kohler suggested!!!  This is madness!!!
 
 
“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Sounnds like to me middletown has a lot of people that seem to be able collect imformation on this subject, but not able find solutions. Not sold on this pac deal my self, but  looking back on past moves made by council, that seem to put the city in the position its  in ,with economy in shape its in this probley is not to far off .
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