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MerrellWood
MUSA Immigrant Joined: May 14 2009 Status: Offline Points: 36 |
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Freshman Council Members: A.J. Smith & Josh Laubach
Do your homework. Don't assume anything. Say nothing unless your prepared to eat you words. Are you? |
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randy
MUSA Official Joined: Jan 13 2009 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 1586 |
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Why are you only mentioning Smith and Laubach, there is another Freshmen in a seat. Not only that Mr. Wood you are calling out the two Council members that have been willing to come here and talk about today. Cant sat that for any others, Only one other member has a reason for not being on the site today and thats because she is out of town. So lets give this two some credit for stepping up to the plate
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MerrellWood
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I'm not calling anyone out ... They are doing their job by responding to their constituents.
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randy
MUSA Official Joined: Jan 13 2009 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 1586 |
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Mr. Wood, like most I am not happy about this new development, not that David got the job but that it seems that no one else was interviewed for the job. It was just handed to him. I give a lot of credit to Smith and Laubach much respect for coming here today, we should Be talking about the members that are silent tonight. To me that speaks volumes.
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wasteful
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 27 2009 Status: Offline Points: 793 |
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Sounds like a threat to me Mr. Wood. If you have something to say spit it out.
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MerrellWood
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Wastefull .... I doubt that A.J. or Josh would interpret my advice as some kind of threat. As to having "something to spit out," it's nothing more than advice that has served me well and I would offer it to anyone, including yourself....
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MerrellWood
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Come-on guys, it was just a little advice. Let not beat this thing to death...Spider, obviously I stand by my piece about new blood on council. Don't you folks think I took some heat over that? As to coming in last in the mayors race...someones got to.. Love to you all.
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transplant
MUSA Immigrant Joined: Sep 30 2009 Status: Offline Points: 26 |
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if this doesn't put an end to the "emergency" pieces of legislation nothing will. what did senior staff know? what questions did they ask the court about this position? why was there no staff report in the legislative packet? did senior staff or members of the commission ask about the process that would be taken to fill the position? can the commission rescind this piece of legislation to make sure a proper process is followed?
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Mike_Presta
MUSA Council Joined: Apr 20 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3483 |
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I have basically been speechless since this news surfaced. (Yes, I am aware that this is a condition that many find refreshing,)
I do have one thought to add:
It was apparently known that "The money was already in the budget for 2010." That means that this position was know about since the 2010 budget was prepared and submitted to council for aqpproval EARLY IN THE FOURTH QUARTER OF 2009.
This begs two questions:
1. By voting to approve the 2010 budget including this new position, did Shiavonne cast a de facto vote for creating a position that he now occupies?
2. How could this possibly have been an "emergency"?
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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tomahawk35
MUSA Resident Joined: Nov 18 2008 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 223 |
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Don't forget the 50ks that he conned to open a 6 month BBQ joint that went under. Also has anyone ever found out what the law suits were about and if there was ever any outcome. Yea I will feel better knowing that if the power goes down that he is leading the charge. Can you say generator?
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Hermes
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: May 19 2009 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 1637 |
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If we don't know anything else about this apparent back-room deal we do know this.....Why Schiavone didn't run again for council.
And it would seem that the so called emergency declaration was imposed so Schiavone could go to work immediatly and start getting a paycheck. Hhhmmmm....
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No more democrats no more republicans,vote Constitution Party !!
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Nelson R. Self
MUSA Citizen Joined: Oct 03 2009 Status: Offline Points: 279 |
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I hope City Council members question certain senior City staff as to what's really going on at City Hall? The truth will set the captives free!
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Nelson R. Self
MUSA Citizen Joined: Oct 03 2009 Status: Offline Points: 279 |
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Mike -
Once again you've done your homework! Thanks for shedding light on the real issues!
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rngrmed
MUSA Citizen Joined: May 06 2009 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 309 |
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I worry about this turning council in to another "Jerry Springer" episode. I'm sure some of the good ol boys took advantage of the new guys and are probably somewhere laughing at them and us now. Call them out on it and it turns in to a debacle and the new guys are termed "troublemakers".
I think Merrill Woods is right, choose your words wisely and be prepared to have them thrown back at you.
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VietVet
MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008 |
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Just a suggestion......AJ and Josh....... Would you be able to research the ordinances that pertain to creating new positions, paying specific attention to any mention of council being able to recind any ordinance creating that position? Is there any action that can be taken by you to get this thing reversed? If reversable, how many councilmembers would it take to support this decision? This whole thing, heaven forbid, might be a done deal and we may never see Schiavone leave the position. Think this "part time" job of his may develop into full time down the road after the smoke has cleared and we citizens have forgotten about it? They have tried that little trick several times in the past, haven't they?- put one of their buddies into a cake walk job on a temp. basis, let it slide out of sight for awhile, and then, down the road, surfaces as a full time ride on the gravy train?????? Don't let 'em do that in this case. Make sure that if Schiavone does stay in the job, he stays for the 5 weeks or so and leaves. Don't trust these 's a bit. Let's make an issue of this on behalf of the citizens. As Merrill says- DO YOUR HOMEWORK- MAKE SURE YOU ARE FOLLOWING THE RULES- PRESENT YOUR CASE- WAIT FOR THE LEGALITY BULLCRAP FROM LANDEN AND THE VINDICTIVE BULL FROM GILLELAND TO HIT YOU and STAND YOUR GROUND! If they keep showing their posterior as to attitude, start the initial phases of termination for both of them. The town would benefit from them being gone anyway. JMO
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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Some people live and learn.
Others just go on living.
No need to over-react to this situation.
As mentioned, maybe Mr.S will do a good job(as long as his hours worked are clearly monitored and documented).
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Mike_Presta
MUSA Council Joined: Apr 20 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3483 |
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Hey...remember the totality of his fiasco at the County!
He knowingly falsified timecards (his own, and approved those of people he supervised), but I've heard that the total amount of manhours times the salaries involved would've raised it to felony level.
Also, they had to BAR HIM from the workplace because he was going around trying to coerce co-workers into testifying (and I doubt testifying truthfully) for him.
This is the kind of guy that should be working in the court system? He should have been thrown off city council. He also should have been prosecuted, instead of merely been "permitted to resign".
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Mike_Presta
MUSA Council Joined: Apr 20 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3483 |
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People, somewhere, this all has to STOP!
Landen, Kohler, Schiavonne, Gilleland, the Historical Society, MMF...why in the world do we stand for all of this???
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Murray
MUSA Immigrant Joined: Jan 11 2010 Status: Offline Points: 14 |
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Just an FYI, on January 1st, 2010 David Schiavone became a private citizen...people making slanderous comments about a private citizen aren't protected from being sued by that person, unlike they would be if he were a public official.
Also, a few other points:
-$5,000 total pay for 6 weeks of work does not equal a golden parachute in most peoples books, nor does it "explain" his reason for leaving council...I don't know about you, but I've never heard of anyone buying a house in the bahamas for $5k...after taxes $3,500....are you kidding me?
-City council has absolutely NO say in the appointment of a judicial employee, they are 2 entirely separate entities. The council doesn't appoint the judge, the judge doesn't answer to council. The only reason for the emergency legislation is out of courtesy to the council. The judge can and will do whatever he wants with or without the support of council.
-AJ and Josh, the cities unemployment is sky high, people are fleeing the city in droves (or they would be if they could sell their houses), the tax base is shrinking...and this is the kind of thing that you want to waste your time on. Read the charter before you overstep your bounds anymore and put yourself in a position where you inexperience/immaturity to the entire community. This is why nothing gets done in this city, no one wants to face the real issues, they just want to create noise and look like they know how to do their job.
-So there is no confusion, COUNCIL HAS NO SAY IN THE APPOINTMENT OF JUDICIAL EMPLOYEES, NONE, ZERO! IF YOU READ THE ORC YOU WOULD KNOW THIS.
-For all of you conspiracy theorists out there, get a life!
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randy
MUSA Official Joined: Jan 13 2009 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 1586 |
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If people are joining the site to state their opinion on this thread and tell others to “get a life” then we must be on point about something and getting under someone’s skin. And for the record there are no slanderous comments being made here, if you believe there are, please point them out and I will take the proper action. |
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Bobbie
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jun 05 2009 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 288 |
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I don't know who you are Murray - but I did not slander him in anyway. However like you said there are a lot of unemployed individuals in this city that would have jumped at this job - had it been posted properly. Schiavione has no more experience in this field or a good track record as alot of citizens. You say the city has nothing to do with the courts, I am sure on paper you are right. However, this money was put in the budget for 2010, those budgets were finalized in 2009 - correct. Schiavonie had knowledge of the budgets (see the conflict) .This was put in front of council as an emergency - state why this had to be an emergency. Making sure lights stay on for the 72 hour required arrainment time is nothing new. Why did he get the position in 3 days - others were not given the opportunity to provide their resumes for this temp position. This was a good ole boy handout to an excouncil member and you know it. If he really is the best qualified for the position (5000 means a lot to some people by the way - maybe not you) have your friends open it up and let others apply as well.
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Murray
MUSA Immigrant Joined: Jan 11 2010 Status: Offline Points: 14 |
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People need to realize that it might have been safe to say these things 2 weeks ago, however that's not the case anymore, he's a private citizen. Spout off all you want, but know that you are risking legal action against you.
I don't know of the details of his hiring, however I do know he has a background in criminal justice as well as the judicial system...sounds qualified to work a part-time job without benefits for several weeks.
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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Ms.Andrew calls us the "enemy camp"
Mr.Adkins calls us "vultures"
Mr.Marconi calls us "liars"
Mayor Mulligan states that Council "is not set up to answer ?s"
sticks and stones...blah blah blah
so--we must be doing something right to be viewed as such a threat, and this site obviously has the attention of our detractors, AND is perfectly set up to answer ?s.
so--watch what u say
do it carefully and as factually as possible
and most importantly of all--turn up the heat on our public figures!
they took an oath to represent our concerns
They appreciated our support towards their election--so why turn on us now?
Smith,Laubaugh and Picard just started.
One meeting so far.
I think that they have already learned an important lesson.
Hopefully they will grow from this situation, and "Won't Be Fooled Again"
"Meet the New Boss
Same as the Old Boss"
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justwatching
MUSA Resident Joined: Jun 19 2009 Status: Offline Points: 88 |
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Murray,
I'm not sure who you are... but I know you're a moron. That comment by tomahawk is in no way slanderous. Maybe someone should have bought you a dictionary for Christmas. And as far as anyone being "risking legal action", well.... DUH. Anyone can sue anyone for anything. I can sue you because I don't like your haircut and it causes me emotional distress. That doesn't mean it's a valid lawsuit and that the courts won't throw it out immediately. Take a hike Murray, no one is listening to your BS. |
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randy
MUSA Official Joined: Jan 13 2009 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 1586 |
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I don't have a degree in anything nor am I the smartest guy in Middletown (my Brother might be though) so Mr. Murray can please enlighten me as to what is slanderous about this comment?
And once again I am sure there many people in this town that are qualified to do that job, tell us, in all your infinite wisdom why these people where not given the opportunity to apply?
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