2012 HUD ANNUAL ACTION PLAN

Thanks for your reply Jef,

JEF,The inspector failed you without an option to replace the light bulb within X # of days? 

Edited by Pacman - Dec 26 2012 at 9:10pm

Not sure how to edit my prior post, but I FIRMLY believe that drug testing would eliminate a large chunk of undeserving tenants.

Are you referring to the side walk, the driveway cut, gutters, or the blacktop??  Where is this pothole in front of your property?

LH4:

"VietVet
I completely agree with you some of the people on the system do nothing but abuse it!
But there are many on the system that have no other way. The elderly,mentally handicapped..etc.. . You would be surprised how many people do really need it"

Agree. And this is why EVERYONE ON THE PROGRAMS NEEDS TO BE AUDITED TO VERIFY AND SEPARATE THE ONES WHO REALLY NEED IT FROM THE ONES RUNNING THE SCAMS. UNANNOUNCED AUDITS TO SEE THE REAL PICTURE OF WHAT IS OCCURING, NOT SCHEDULED TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO CHANGE THE SCENE. JUST ASKING FOR CONTROL OF THE PROGRAMS TO OVERSEE THE TAXPAYER'S MONEY.

LH4:

"Do they love to rent section 8? No...it would be wonderful to have good paying tenants, be able to charge a decent rent and not have to deal with the section 8 headache!! "

NOT KNOWING THE RENTAL SITUATION IN MIDDLETOWN, COULD WE STILL FILL THE EMPTY APARTMENTS AND HOUSES WITH NON SECTION 8 PEOPLE, CHARGE A REASONABLE RATE OF RENT AND STILL KEEP THE LANDLORDS IN BUSINESS? SURE WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD GET THIS PROGRAM OUT OF TOWN.......OR, AT THE VERY LEAST, HAVE ONLY THE AMOUNT OF SECTION 8 THIS TOWN IS TAILORED TO HAVE. OTHER THAN THE GENERAL CLIMATE OF THE CITY, CREATED OF COURSE BY CITY HALL, IS THERE A REASON(S) WHY LANDLORDS ARE HAVING A HARD TIME FILLING RENTAL HOMES AND APARTMENTS? IS THE RENT TOO HIGH? NOT ENOUGH JOBS TO LURE PEOPLE TO TOWN TO RENT? NO ONE WANTS TO LIVE HERE NO MATTER HOW LOW THE RENT GOES, JUST BECAUSE THE CITY LEADERS HAVE MADE TO TOWN SO UNDESIRABLE?

THE LANDLORDS ARE JUST CASHING IN ON THE OVERABUNDANT HUD HANDOUTS AND GETTING A GUARANTEED PAYOUT FOR THE RENT THROUGH THE FEDS. CAN'T BLAME THEM. ON THE OTHER HAND, IT'S HELPING TO RUIN THE CITY....AT THE VERY LEAST, IMAGE WISE.

VietVet
I completely agree with you some of the people on the system do nothing but abuse it!
But there are many on the system that have no other way. The elderly,mentally handicapped..etc.. . You would be surprised how many people do really need it.
You are completely right it was never suppose to be a program for young people to get on, stay on and have multiple kids on!

Landlords do have a job to keep income coming into and paying for their businesses.
Do they love to rent section 8? No...it would be wonderful to have good paying tenants, be able to charge a decent rent and not have to deal with the section 8 headache!!
Unfortunately in Middletown thats not happening!

I liked the comment someone made about previous landlords in the city being respected gentlemen in the past..
It's really not fair for people NOW to say this was caused by the landlords...the landlords did not bring the vouchers or the money the city received from HUD into Middletown.

But the bottom line, oversight, is that the Section 8 program is another government handout to people who will be prone to abusing it and thereby abusing the hand that feeds them.....the taxpayer. The Section 8 people pay what, 30% of the cost of living at the Section 8 landlord's residence......and who picks up the other 70%.....the taxpayer. I go to work each day to make my housepayment. There ain't no one paying 70% of my housepayment (or any other frikkin' bills for that matter) for me. Some of these people who use food stamps and receive welfare checks, are not looking for a temporary "hand up". They are career scammers, looking for a permenant "hand-out". THAT is what angers the taxpayer and should anger you too. (Wanna create jobs....train people to audit all on welfare, Section 8 and other handout programs and kick 'em off immediately, if not in compliance) You have x number of months to get your act together and then you're off the program, ready or not.

The initial intention of all of these social programs was noble and just, helping people through tough times on a TEMPORARY BASIS. BUT, we all have seen just how "temporary" some of these people have become with YEARS of sponging off the taxpayers.

You ought to feel lucky that Doug Adkins hasn't gone further in his desire to end Section 8 in this city. Could have been worse. Coulda been me in his position and I would have gone after the program with a vengence, clearing out all the deadwood I could for the sake of the town's health and image. This program instills a cancer in the city and welcomes some problems that we just don't need here. Lord, don't we have enough problems with the occupants of city hall and the way they run this city? Do we really need to bring more issues to town? JMO

Pacman I do not disagree with you on that the HUD program could be tuned up but not at the expense or reputation of a good man such as Mr Dan Tracey. I have meet this man and he is a good man he has let people live in properties for months without paying rent through hard times. I even heard that he paid for a funeral for a man that rented from him and he was not on section 8 and still today helps with that man's family especially around the holidays. Pacman listen by reducing the number of landlords such as Mr Dan Tracy off the section 8 program the city is losing their power to govern the 1000 properties through the section 8 program. Pacman look he has been in this business for about 30 plus years and if you looked deep enough into this mans business I would want to say about 85% of his properties are paid for blocks of house all in the same neighborhoods some not so great and some in really upscale neighborhoods I would say this man could own any house in this city and rent it out to whomever or whatever he wants and that is his civil right. Pacman if he is booted off the program as you say that does not mean the properties are off or the tenants are gone. Pacman what would stop him from giving them to a trust or a llc for his kids and turn them over to a rental company who reallys is not going to care what happens to the property so case closed he will have no interest in the properties right? So Pacman being that HUD rules say he can not participate in the program with a felony but a trust is its own entity under the law and Mr Tracey will have given up his rights to the properties can stay on the program and Dan can go sit back and count the cash. Pacman trust me I know there is ways around MR Adkins plans of attacks on this program like the UC report stated page 59 [The beauty of it all is that we do not need HUD's approval to accomplish our goals]at which in the introduction its states that HUD will have to be informed of what they are trying to do 1. To remove and replace outside the city limits of Middletown 1000 families and the term used was families not vouchers. 2. To make landlords reluctant to participate in the Section 8 program therefore decreasing the number of properties available to the voucher holders so the city can say HUD we don't need them take them back.
sounds like the citys manipulation of the Program could get them fired from being involved in the HUD program.
Pacman someone said in that report on page 59 the rules are already in place we just have to enforce them wonder who that was like I said HUD does not influence the administrator of a HUD program unless you screw up violate some civil rights and then you're fired. Pacman I would say this is what's going to happen with MPHA if they stay on the witch hunt of landlords and so called naughty tenants. Pacman what my point is that right now Doug Adkins has tried and failed to take off as many voucher holders that he can of this MPHA program you see when a voucher holder gets terminated off the program for a violation that person has the right to a hearing and this is by arbitration not the MPHA or Mr Adkins office and is heavily watched over by HUD remember civil rights. I wonder just how many hearings took place in 2009 to year to date I saw MR Adkins desk stacks of files 5 feet tall 10 feet long so how many was terminated for what a water bill that nothing to do with the program? I have heard less than 10% of the hearings went in Doug Adkins favor but Doug Adkins knows if you can take a landlord off the program like Dan Tracy wow there goes 144 sounds like selective enforcement to me I'm no attorney but I believe Doug Adkins has a law background and that oath he took to uphold civil rights just might be bending right now [stress cracks] the city might be setting itself up for a 1983 civil rights lawsuit by MR Tracy if it stays on this wrong track of harassing landlords and now prosecuting the ones that don't scare so easily such as MR Tracy all this just to reduce the enrollment of future properties in the program that in itself is fraud against this program and the voucher holders which are tax paying citizens of this city should call HUD and HUD should remove the cities oversight of the program for the misrepresentation of what the city is telling HUD about not needing the vouchers and the city council's embarrassing ability to stand up and make the correct decisions to help this program and the voucher holders so that it can become better and serve the people of this city and state in the way it was meant to. Pacman like it or not the OLD LADY in New York holding that torch says it all its America its what sets us apart from the rest of this crazy world we take care of our own no matter what all I can say is'''' SPEAK UP HUD WHATS THE PROBLEM get involved.''''

Pacman I do not disagree with you on that the HUD program could be tuned up but not at the expense or reputation of a good man such as Mr Dan Tracey. I have meet this man and he is a good man he has let people live in properties for months without paying rent through hard times. I even heard that he paid for a funeral for a man that rented from him and he was not on section 8 and still today helps with that man's family especially around the holidays. Pacman listen by reducing the number of landlords such as Mr Dan Tracy off the section 8 program the city is losing their power to govern the 1000 properties through the section 8 program. Pacman look he has been in this business for about 30 plus years and if you looked deep enough into this mans business I would want to say about 85% of his properties are paid for blocks of house all in the same neighborhoods some not so great and some in really upscale neighborhoods I would say this man could own any house in this city and rent it out to whomever or whatever he wants and that is his civil right. Pacman if he is booted off the program as you say that does not mean the properties are off or the tenants are gone. Pacman what would stop him from giving them to a trust or a llc for his kids and turn them over to a rental company who reallys is not going to care what happens to the property so case closed he will have no interest in the properties right? So Pacman being that HUD rules say he can not participate in the program with a felony but a trust is its own entity under the law and Mr Tracey will have given up his rights to the properties can stay on the program and Dan can go sit back and count the cash. Pacman trust me I know there is ways around MR Adkins plans of attacks on this program like the UC report stated page 59 [The beauty of it all is that we do not need HUD's approval to accomplish our goals]at which in the introduction its states that HUD will have to be informed of what they are trying to do 1. To remove and replace outside the city limits of Middletown 1000 families and the term used was families not vouchers. 2. To make landlords reluctant to participate in the Section 8 program therefore decreasing the number of properties available to the voucher holders so the city can say HUD we don't need them take them back.
sounds like the citys manipulation of the Program could get them fired from being involved in the HUD program.
Pacman someone said in that report on page 59 the rules are already in place we just have to enforce them wonder who that was like I said HUD does not influence the administrator of a HUD program unless you screw up violate some civil rights and then you're fired. Pacman I would say this is what's going to happen with MPHA if they stay on the witch hunt of landlords and so called naughty tenants. Pacman what my point is that right now Doug Adkins has tried and failed to take off as many voucher holders that he can of this MPHA program you see when a voucher holder gets terminated off the program for a violation that person has the right to a hearing and this is by arbitration not the MPHA or Mr Adkins office and is heavily watched over by HUD remember civil rights. I wonder just how many hearings took place in 2009 to year to date I saw MR Adkins desk stacks of files 5 feet tall 10 feet long so how many was terminated for what a water bill that nothing to do with the program? I have heard less than 10% of the hearings went in Doug Adkins favor but Doug Adkins knows if you can take a landlord off the program like Dan Tracy wow there goes 144 sounds like selective enforcement to me I'm no attorney but I believe Doug Adkins has a law background and that oath he took to uphold civil rights just might be bending right now [stress cracks] the city might be setting itself up for a 1983 civil rights lawsuit by MR Tracy if it stays on this wrong track of harassing landlords and now prosecuting the ones that don't scare so easily such as MR Tracy all this just to reduce the enrollment of future properties in the program that in itself is fraud against this program and the voucher holders which are tax paying citizens of this city should call HUD and HUD should remove the cities oversight of the program for the misrepresentation of what the city is telling HUD about not needing the vouchers and the city council's embarrassing ability to stand up and make the correct decisions to help this program and the voucher holders so that it can become better and serve the people of this city and state in the way it was meant to. Pacman like it or not the OLD LADY in New York holding that torch says it all its America its what sets us apart from the rest of this crazy world we take care of our own no matter what all I can say is'''' SPEAK UP HUD WHATS THE PROBLEM get involved.'''' where is the over sight and higher power when you need them?????????????????????

                                        oversight

digger-2 wrote: Mikey, if people really took you seriously, you wouldn't be compelled to vent your spleen daily on MUSA.  It sounds like you've got too much unresolved anger.  Peace.

Gee...thanks for the advice.  I'll be sure to rush to the nearest psychoanalyst, based on your preliminary evaluation.

Mikey, if people really took you seriously, you wouldn't be compelled to vent your spleen daily on MUSA.  It sounds like you've got too much unresolved anger.  Peace.

Pacman, you always seem to have such a quick trigger finger when it comes to criticizing and condemning others.  Since you are the self-professed all-knowing one, we'd like to have the answers to the most perplexing problems the city faces.  Please share your plans and policies that will spur private reinvestment and the return of so many needed middle-class households to older neighborhoods.  Please make certain that your responses are substantive and economically sound.  No more generalities or irrelevant soapbox ranting.  And, speaking of anonymity, who are you anyhow?

Except for elderly, you can almost spot a welfare/Section 8'er from a mile away. Moving slowly, not in a hurry, kind of "hanging out". Why be in a hurry to get anywhere when your basic needs are paid for by big brother?