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    Posted: Jun 23 2012 at 11:52am

Here is the link to the
Community Development Grant (CDBG) Program
Home Investment Partnerships (Home) Program
PY 2012 Projected Budgeted Use Of Funds 5-01-2012 – 4-30-2013

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ohcmiddl/images/2012-H2.gif


Please notice the following items:
NEIGHBORHOOD REVITILAZITION
  Code Enforcement
  Demolition
GRANTS MANAGEMENTS
  Planning/Program Administration

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And the fed money just keeps pouring in for HUD......

Midd. Journal story...

HUD grants awarded in Middletown, Franklin

Two private housing developments in Middletown and Franklin were among several around the state to be awarded grants Friday from the U.S. Housing and Urban Development Department.
Harding House in Franklin will receive $262,229, while Trinity Manor Senior Housing Limited Partnership in Middletown was awarded $126,978.

No sign of the city backing off the HUD/Section 8/low income theme, bringing us closer to ghetto status. Thought we were trying to reduce the HUD impact in town. More crap from the city leaders.
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....and I will say it one more time....HUD will not let Middletown reduce their number of Section 8 housing vouchers.

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Originally posted by Vivian Moon Vivian Moon wrote:

....and I will say it one more time....HUD will not let Middletown reduce their number of Section 8 housing vouchers.

so there is no hope for middletown just noticing the police briefs lately and its worse than I have ever seen it with the thieves and drug addicts running rampant maybe its just time to throw the towel in.
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Viet - the city isn't receiving the money, and they didn't apply for it. The recipient of the funds was Trinity Manor Senior Housing Limited Partnership.

The money isn't going to new units. It's not going to rehabbing existing units. It's being used to hire service coordinators for senior citizens and disabled residents.

Did you even bother to read the article?

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Directly from the article.....

"Two private housing developments in Middletown and Franklin were among several around the state to be awarded grants Friday from the U.S. Housing and Urban Development Department".


swohio75- it involves HUD and it involves housing units and that ties it into the program I have referred to. ANYTHING HUD RELATED can't be good for a city that is overwhelmed with poverty and low income WITHOUT inviting more to town.
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ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE!!!!! Midd. Journal story.....

City proposes reduction in Section 8 vouchers

MIDDLETOWN —
The city’s public housing agency board will entertain a proposal today to reduce the number of Section 8 vouchers by more than 1,000 over the next few years.

The Middletown Public Housing Agency, which manages the city’s Section 8 voucher program, is not in compliance with federal requirements of the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, according to a Sept. 24 letter from the federal agency. The city is required to have at least 95 percent of its 1,662 vouchers awarded to an applicant. However, the city is around 82 percent.

To gain compliance, Community Revitalization Director Doug Adkins is proposing the city reduce, through attrition, the number of vouchers the city offers either by transferring them to another public housing agency or return them to HUD.

AND NOW THE CLINCHER FROM ADKINS!!!

“The demographics show that the city can only effectively support 654 housing choice vouchers within the MPHA program,” Adkins wrote in a draft summary"

WHAT HAVE WE BEEN SAYING FOR A YEAR NOW ON THIS FORUM CONCERNING THE CORRECT NUMBER OF VOUCHERS FOR A CITY THIS SIZE???? WOW, JUST A TAD BIT SLOW ON THE REACTION FROM CITY HALL, RIGHT?

UN-FRIKKIN' BELIEVABLE.

The city has about 500 Section 8 landlords with about 1,400 Section 8 properties, which includes housing from both the Middletown and Butler public housing agencies, low-income tax credits and other HUD-funded projects.

“Taken together, subsidized housing represents 3,337 housing units, or 14.3 percent of our total housing,” Adkins said

AND NOW, ANOTHER THING THAT WILL MAKE YOU PROUD TO LIVE HERE.....

Middletown has 2,255 subsidized housing units, which is 9.7 percent of the city’s total households. That’s the HIGHEST PERCENTAGE IN OHIO, according to the city. Chillicothe Housing Agency is second with 8.5 percent of all households that are subsidized housing. Butler County Public Housing Authority is at 1.7 percent and Warren County Public Housing Authority is at 0.8 percent. The state average is 2.6 percent.

Subsidized housing

Area public housing authority’s rates of subsidized housing (number of vouchers in parentheses):

9.7 percent: Middletown (1,662 vouchers)

5.1 percent: Cincinnati (11,266 vouchers)

1.7 percent: Butler County (1,111 vouchers)

1.5 percent: Clermont County (906 vouchers)

0.8 percent: Warren County (448 vouchers)

0.3 percent: Preble County (52 vouchers)

Source: City of Middletown

LOOK AT MIDDLETOWN AND THEN LOOK AT THE REST OF BUTLER COUNTY. IGNORANCE ABOUNDS IN CITY HALL FOR BRINGING IN THIS AMOUNT OF A GHETTO BUILDING PROGRAM. WHY PEOPLE, WHY???
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Vet,

I hope that your "why"is rhetorical because I'm sure you know the answer. Money! The addition of those vouchers was to bring Federal dollars to the city, supplement current landlords and keep rents high within the city limits. Not really much of a mystery. The real question is why due diligence wasn't performed by our city administration in terms of the impact that such a concentration of vouchers would produce. In other words, they didn't see the problems this might create, they only saw the dollars!
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Gilliland has been severely slow on the switch on the section 8 issue. This alone is enough to warrant her firing.
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Reducing the vouchers through attrition?  I thought they were discussing this a couple years ago and it was already being done....why is this taking so long?
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Posted: 5:00 a.m. Tuesday, Oct. 16, 2012
City proposes reduction in Section 8 vouchers

By Michael D. Pitman
Staff Writer

MIDDLETOWN —

The city’s public housing agency board will entertain a proposal today to reduce the number of Section 8 vouchers by more than 1,000 over the next few years.
Why wasn’t this item included in the City Council Meeting Agenda for this evening?

The Middletown Public Housing Agency, which manages the city’s Section 8 voucher program, is not in compliance with federal requirements of the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, according to a Sept. 24 letter from the federal agency. The city is required to have at least 95 percent of its 1,662 vouchers awarded to an applicant. However, the city is around 82 percent.

To gain compliance, Community Revitalization Director Doug Adkins is proposing the city reduce, through attrition, the number of vouchers the city offers either by transferring them to another public housing agency or return them to HUD.
To gain compliance? How will these actions bring the city into compliance? How can you tranfer the vouchers when the surrounding counties do not want more Section 8 Housing in their area and I have never heard of returning vouchers to HUD.

“The demographics show that the city can only effectively support 654 housing choice vouchers within the MPHA program,” Adkins wrote in a draft summary.
   
In the 96 page report that Mr Adkins submitted to HUD on June 2010 he failed to prove this point. HUD answered by suggesting that Mr. Adkins better utilize the HUD Funds in the area of greatest need to solve the problems.
    As I have stated before on this blog Mr Adkins has not addressed the areas of highest proverty and crime such as the Crawford Street area in his 5 year plan.
ManyHUD Funds have been divereted away from the “areas of greatest need” located in the 1st and 2nd Wards.       


In the proposal, Adkins writes that the city should not allow subsidized housing stock to exceed 10 percent of total available housing, or 23,296 units. Further saturation beyond that, he writes, would cause more problems than benefits to the city.
If in fact 10% is the magic number for subsidized housing in Middletown why wasn’t this fact made public 12 years ago beforeMPHA City Council started requesting 200 additional Section 8 vouchers a years to increase the population, fill the empty housing stock of the city and increase the coffers of City Hall?

Adkins said the Middletown Public Housing Agency generally turns over 200 vouchers a year for various reasons.

“The proposal given to the (public housing agency) board specifically states that all families that have vouchers will get to keep their voucher and remain where they are for as long as they remain compliant with program regulations,” Adkins said.

If HUD finds the city is in violation of the Fair Housing Act, then the federal government “would then have to decide to punish additional low income families by cutting funding,” Adkins said.
I believe that HUD can also remove the admistration of the Section 8 program from MPHA and turn it over to Butler County.

“HUD would not take those actions quickly or without careful consideration of the consequences to the low/moderate income people affected,” he said.

The city has about 500 Section 8 landlords with about 1,400 Section 8 properties, which includes housing from both the Middletown and Butler public housing agencies, low-income tax credits and other HUD-funded projects.

“Taken together, subsidized housing represents 3,337 housing units, or 14.3 percent of our total housing,” Adkins said.
HUD Response to the Middletown 96 Page 2010 Study :
Housing Choice Vouchers……..1,662
Butler MHA Units………………..593
HUD Project Based Units………..384  Listed as privately owned Section 202/811
HOPE House………………………50   Emergency Shelter for Homeless
ODMH Transitional Living………66    HUD has no data

TOTAL……………………….....2,755

Middletown has 2,255 subsidized housing units, which is 9.7 percent of the city’s total households. That’s the highest percentage in Ohio, according to the city. Chillicothe Housing Agency is second with 8.5 percent of all households that are subsidized housing. Butler County Public Housing Authority is at 1.7 percent and Warren County Public Housing Authority is at 0.8 percent. The state average is 2.6 percent.

The plan is being presented on the heels of a letter received from HUD’s Midwest Region office in Cleveland. It states the city has not issued any vouchers since Jan. 1, even though there were two applicants on a waiting list, and it is not in compliance with the 95 percent level. The letter requested the city submit a “formalized corrective action plan.”

HUD spokeswoman Laura Feldman said the agency is unable to comment at this time as they have not seen a proposal. A proposal, according to the Sept. 24-dated letter from HUD, requested a plan be submitted within 30 days which would be Oct. 24.

“This is not a typical situation,” Feldman said. “Normally housing authorities want to increase their vouchers because they have a waiting list.”

Landlord Missy McCall, who said she’s not familiar with the proposal, would be okay with a reduction in Section 8 vouchers so long as those who need the assistance get the assistance.

“What about those people who are having crises that is just developed,” she said. “We can’t always budget our crises when we need assistance.”

But she said the administration needs to do what’s best for the city, the people on the program and the landlords “so there’s a balance.”

From a landlord perspective, McCall said it doesn’t appear it wouldn’t make a big difference as a housing provider. She said a demand for rental properties is up over the past four years, but that’s a combination of people who can’t buy homes and a slightly improving economy.

Landlords and utilities receive more than 90 percent of the city’s Section 8 funding.

The 2012 program is budgeted to receive about $11 million. Of that funding, Adkins said about $1 million is designated for administration and the remainder is distributed to landlords and utilities as rental and utility assistance to voucher holders. More than 50 percent of the rental assistance funding is made to out-of-town landlords.
Again this is a misleading statement since the majority of these landlords live within 20 miles of Middletown.

I would like to suggest that you read the 96 Page 2010 Report and the HUD response for a better understanding of this problem.

 

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Middletown29 - Gilliland has been severely slow on the switch on the section 8 issue. This alone is enough to warrant her firing.

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So now you want Miss Judy fired and yet, Marty Kohler, the man who signed all the request to increase Section 8 vouchers should keep his job at City Hall?

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Do you not find it odd that Mr. Adkins has chosen this time to decide to make war on local Real Estate Investors..…just after City Hall has become a real estate investor with the land banking program?

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New york Times - December 18, 2009

Thousands Lose Rent Vouchers in Cutback

One of the key housing programs that helps low-income and other needy New Yorkers afford their apartments has been effectively cut off for thousands of families.

City officials announced Thursday that they had stopped issuing new federal rent subsidy vouchers and were terminating the vouchers of 3,000 families who had yet to fully use them. They said they were taking those steps because of federal budget cuts and an increased demand for the vouchers in today’s economy.

The city’s public housing agency, the New York City Housing Authority, typically gives out thousands of vouchers every year through the Section 8 program. Poor, elderly and disabled tenants who receive the vouchers live in private apartments and pay about 30 percent of their income toward rent, with federally funded vouchers making up the difference.

Agency officials said that the nearly 128,000 families currently on its Section 8 waiting list would remain there, but with a few exceptions no new vouchers would be given to them or anyone else in 2010 without additional federal financing. In addition, 3,018 families — those who had received vouchers but were searching for an apartment or had identified an apartment but not yet completed the process and moved in — would have their vouchers terminated.

Since May, the agency has limited vouchers to those in emergency situations, and has stopped giving them out to families who are not in crisis. As a result, a majority of the 3,018 voucher holders were in emergency situations, including those who had recently been homeless, victims of domestic violence and young people leaving foster care.

“It’s a difficult but unavoidable decision,” the authority’s chairman, John B. Rhea, said at a news conference on Thursday.

Mr. Rhea said a “perfect storm” of factors was to blame.

In 2008 and 2009, Congress and the Department of Housing and Urban Development instructed the agencies that administer Section 8 vouchers nationwide to use money in their reserves to fill shortfalls in federal financing. New York housing authority officials said they had anticipated a $10 million shortfall in 2009, but the amount turned out to be $58 million. “We didn’t know how large it would be,” Mr. Rhea said.

He also said the agency had already surpassed by 2,000 vouchers its annual allotment of 99,000.

The authority was working with city officials to provide alternative rental assistance for many of the 3,000 voucher holders. Robert V. Hess, commissioner of the city’s Department of Homeless Services, said his agency was working to extend a state supervised rental assistance program for hundreds of formerly homeless families who had their vouchers terminated. “We don’t think there’s any cause for alarm at this point,” he said.

None of the families who are currently in an apartment and receiving the Section 8 subsidy are affected, officials said.

Elected officials and advocates for low-income housing expressed outrage over the move and criticized the authority for failing to do enough to prevent 3,000 families from losing the vouchers they had been given.

“It is shocking that the New York City Housing Authority is breaking its word to over 3,000 Section 8 voucher holders,” said City Councilman Bill de Blasio, a Democrat from Brooklyn.

Steven Banks, the attorney in chief for the Legal Aid Society, said the agency’s actions would swell the city’s family shelter system.

The Manhattan borough president, Scott M. Stringer, called for members of the authority’s governing board to resign. “I have a hunch that we’re about to be dealing with ‘Vouchergate,’ which is why we need city legislative hearings immediately,” Mr. Stringer said.

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If NEW YORK CITY can dump 3000 vounchers, why can't Middletown dump 1000 or so???
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{Landlord Missy McCall, who said she’s not familiar with the proposal, would be okay with a reduction in Section 8 vouchers so long as those who need the assistance get the assistance.

“What about those people who are having crises that is just developed,” she said. “We can’t always budget our crises when we need assistance.”

But she said the administration needs to do what’s best for the city, the people on the program and the landlords “so there’s a balance.”}

The City needs to do what is best for the City Adminsitartion, Those residents that are not low income, & the elderly/disabled who need the section 8 housing.  Those landlords that live out of the city limits can fend for themselves.

The city owes no responsibility to landlords, there are laws and ordinances which govern them and they must follow them like any other resident of Middletown.

As far as a balance of Section 8 vouchers in Middletown, 1 voucher for every 28 (+/-) residents is the highest I have found in the USA.  That is not what I call balanced.

I am not against Section 8 vouchers when they the number of vouchers is proportionate and not exsessive as they are in Middletown.  


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From MJ:
Council approves plan to reduce Section 8
By Michael D. Pitman

Staff Writer

MIDDLETOWN —

The city will move forward into “uncharted territory” with its proposal to remove more than 1,000 Section 8 vouchers over the course of five years.

A 142-page proposal, which was released Tuesday, outlines the city’s case to remove the vouchers over five years through attrition — meaning vouchers will not be recirculated as people come off the program.

“This is uncharted territory,” said Doug Adkins, Community Revitalization director. “I’m unaware of anyone trying to do something of this magnitude.”

The plan was developed in response to the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development’s request for a corrective action plan as the city is below the minimum required number of vouchers that need to be issued, which is 95 percent, or 1,579. As of August, only 1,424 vouchers are issued.

Council during its Middletown Public Housing Agency Board meeting Tuesday voted 6-1 in support of the proposal. Councilman A.J. Smith opposed the proposal.

“I thought the loss outweighed the gain,” Smith said explaining his vote.

Smith said the city could lose upwards of $2.3 million in potential HUD-based funding — such as community development block grants, the Neighborhood Stabilization Program, and the HOME Investment Partnerships Program —in addition to the economy of the program.

Adkins said it could be a year or two before the threat of any funding cuts would be considered, and by that time, he said, council could then decide the fight is too monumental.

The city has about 500 Section 8 landlords with about 1,400 Section 8 properties, and Adkins said the goals of the Section 8 program aren’t being achieved.

But council is not without concern.

Vice Mayor Dan Picard, like Smith, said he was concerned with HUD deciding to take away funding.

Adkins said any decision must include a detailed explanation why and at any time council can drop the issue. But if the city feels HUD’s reasoning isn’t supported by statutory regulations, Middletown can take HUD to federal court.

“That concerns me,” Picard said. “I’m an attorney, and we’re talking about serious dollars if we talk about getting in one of those matches with HUD.”

Adkins said having no subsidized housing is not beneficial to a city, but too much can harm a city’s progress.

There are more than 2,500 Section 8 voucher families living in housing within Butler County, according to the adopted plan. The city has 66.4 percent of those vouchers. In the 12 other Butler County communities with Section 8 housing, Middletown has nearly double of the rest of the county combined.

Adkins said 1,662 Section 8 vouchers — which is 49.8 percent of all subsidized housing in Middletown and 14.3 percent of all available housing in the city — does not allow the city to succeed. The 654 Section 8 vouchers would reduce all subsidize housing to 10 percent of all available housing in the city.

“It is not the root of our problems, but simply one area that needs our attention at this time,” said Adkins.

Other subsidized housing includes programs offered by the Butler Metro Public Housing Agency, HUD directly and the Low-Income Housing Tax Credit.

Adkins said the city can only control the city’s allotment of Section 8 vouchers, which grew from 774 from 1999 to 1,662 by 2005. About 200 vouchers are turned over annually for various reasons, he said, but any voucher holder will retain it so long they remain compliant with program regulations.

Exceeding the proposed 10 percent threshold of the total available housing would “cause more problems than benefits to the city,” according to the report.

An example within the report contends that within a 1,000-foot an area with few subsidized housing units, home sale prices increased. However, if there is a concentrated amount of subsidized housing, home sales prices dropped within a 2,000-foot radius.

The report also contends more affluent residents pay the bulk of local taxes, property values in concentrated subsidized housing areas are assessed $35,500 lower than in other areas of the city, and Section 8 housing has cost the city an annual loss of $111,324 in property tax revenues — which according to the city’s 2012 proposed budget could fund a fully equipped police officer or firefighter.

Landlord Jeff Faulkner, who owns Section 8 and non-Section 8 properties in three area counties, including in Middletown, said reducing 1,008 vouchers is too much, and believes it won’t happen. He said if there are people staying at the Hope House, a homeless shelter, then there’s a need in the city.

“If they take the vouchers and return them, I would expect HUD to step in and pursue avenues to make sure people have housing,” Faulkner said.

Adkins anticipates some type of action by HUD — likely a “strong response” — but he is confident the city is not violating any HUD regulations.


Vouchers issued to the city by HUD

The city currently has 1,662 Section 8 vouchers, but are are far below the 95 percent compliance rate as mandated by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development. In 1999, the city of Middletown had 774 Section 8 vouchers issued by HUD. Here’s how they have increased since then:

Year | New vouchers added | Total number of vouchers

Dec. 1, 1999 | 75 | 849

May 1, 2000 | 50 | 899

Sept. 1, 2000 | 55 | 954

Nov. 1, 2000 | 200| 1154

Oct. 1, 2001 | 200 | 1354

Jan. 1, 2003 | 200 | 1554

Oct. 1, 2005 | 108 | 1662

Source: city of Middletown

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Council giveth Section 8 and now council will try to taketh away. They are their own worst enemy on this. When they voted for this, what did they think would happen down the road, unleashing this blight on the city?

I really like this from Adkins......

"Adkins said having no subsidized housing is not beneficial to a city, but too much can harm a city’s progress"

Why.....that's brilliant Douggie, simply brilliant!!

And now the real reason this blight was brought to the city, courtesy of Danny P.......

Vice Mayor Dan Picard, like Smith, said he was concerned with HUD deciding to take away funding.


Adkins said the city can only control the city’s allotment of Section 8 vouchers, which grew from 774 from 1999 to 1,662 by 2005

Why did council/city officials allow this number to increase if it is now a concern? (other than receiving fed bucks that is)

Section 8 housing has cost the city an annual loss of $111,324 in property tax revenues — which according to the city’s 2012 proposed budget could fund a fully equipped police officer or firefighter.

Again, if the city knew this, why did they ramp up the program?

All of a sudden, this highly prized program a few years ago.....this beacon for fed dollars and revenue for the city, seems to have become a cancer to them now. Ignorance abounds in the city building. Will we ever see them make a good decision regarding the operation of this city?
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There is a lot of inaccurate information that has been on this forum.
First.. 15 years ago some landlords did not have to rent section 8. You could rent properties to people who had decent jobs in Middletown. To have your properties pass section 8 inspections there is a list that has to be done. Take a look at all the little things that have to be done. Many of your homes would not pass.
If you look around Middletown.. The homes you see with broken glass, falling apart, etc.. THESE ARE NOT SECTION 8.

There are a lot of landlords that live in Middletown. They have family, friends and businesses in Middletown. Their children go to school in Middletown. Of course they care about the crime in Middletown...
and they report any people committing crimes. Also they can and sometimes are terminated from the program. No landlord wants any crimes or trouble at a property!

Speaking of that I have personally had people come up to me and ask me for money at different locations around Middletown....those are not the people on the program.


If landlords do not rent section 8 (BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE IS COMING TO MIDDLETOWN ) you will have properties empty! No income means no taxes paid, foreclosures, no money for local businesses and NO MONEY FOR THE CITY!

If you were looking at a new city to move into would you choose Middletown???

Professional people that do have money to buy housing and spend in Middletown do not choose Middletown. Sad but true...
If you are from out of town and drive into Middletown what's the first thing you notice?
Let's see.. a dilapidated mall. People that have money want a place to spend it. They want quality shopping. The Towne Mall deal should have been done years ago. What did the City of Middletown do??

Then let them look up the Middletown City Schools report cards..
Which is one of the first things parents do when considering a city to move into.
Most schools are rated effective and some rated academic emergency!
If you had a choice of public schools would you choose this city?
NO.

Landlords having to rent section 8 are not the problem..they are trying to keep a business together that costs a lot of money to run and maintain. They spend A LOT of money in Middletown!!


You can blame section 8... but if you take away that housing you will see a lot more empty houses.. and businesses failing.

Mr. Adkins need to look at why people are not moving into Middletown. It's not because of section 8 vouchers!!



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So basically LH4, you are saying that Section 8 landlords must have Section 8 tenants or your houses will remain empty, right? There is an alternative to filling your houses without the Section 8 HUD handouts to landlords......make your house rent competitive enough to attract the apartment dwellers and pull from the apartment renters segment of society. That way your houses stay full, we don't have to put up with Section 8 crime, lowering of image, and a ghetto mentality reputation with the surrounding area.

No matter how you slice it, Section 8, especially with the overabundance this city has, is detrimental to this city and a program we don't need, given all the other problems we have.

I have a hard time believing that the Section 8 clientele (as well as landlords) in this city help in the money spending department to any great degree.

You state....

"Speaking of that I have personally had people come up to me and ask me for money at different locations around Middletown....those are not the people on the program"

And how would you know this? I have not experienced people coming up and asking me for money and I've been here for decades. Perhaps we travel in different circles within the city.

"You can blame section 8... but if you take away that housing you will see a lot more empty houses.. and businesses failing"

Please explain.

"Mr. Adkins need to look at why people are not moving into Middletown. It's not because of section 8 vouchers!! "

But it's certainly part of why people aren't moving here. Section 8, right or wrong, is looked upon as ghetto and undesirable to be around. It devalues property, increases the crime potential and attracts the criminal element (ask the cops if crime hasn't increased in town) and tarnishes the image of a city.....especially as inundated as Middletown has become.

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Circles in town? If you are trying to say I am from the "ghetto" you are way off. Maybe you should talk to someone beyond your circle.

Do you never go to McDonalds, Subway or the mall? Ask around in your circle of friends, perhaps within your church,if none of them have ever been asked for money in Middletown?


Make rent competitive??
You have no idea what you are talking about.. all apartments in the city have LOWER there rent. Every one of them! No deposit special etc... That has nothing to do with section 8! Most of the apartment complexes do accept section 8. If they do not ask what the vacancy rate is?

Yes... when you remodel your properties you spend a lot of money..
And pay labor!

You forgot to mention the schools???
Parents look at that first!
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LH I have a few homes that I rent out and none of them do I have rented out to section 8 people.There are a few reasons why I dont and the main one is after they lived there for a while and destroy your place and you have to fix it back to the way it was before you are out alot of money.Try to collect from them what your out.The deposit you take from them doesnt even begain to fix it back up.
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Your right... my point exactly..Landlords spend a lot of money remodeling!
If you had hundreds of tenants you would rent section 8. If that is the only people coming into Middletown.
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Never had anyone ask you for $$, Vet??
Come hang with me for a few hours!!
 
A lot of truth in what both of you have to say......
 
Section 8 has become a partial scapegoat for many local issues
Admin created the glut--
don't blame the needy for participating in the program, or landlords for renting into the program.
 
HOWEVER
 
The glut has crippled our schools, police/fire, businesses and Family Services
The % needs to be reduced
Many landlords bought properties specifically to take advantage of the situation
When the voucher #s decrease, these landlords must find new tenants, and probably charge lower rents
They rode it up the hill, now comes the ride back down
 
Just be appreciative of what you had for as long as you had it
 
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That's right, LH4, I have never had anyone come up to me and ask me for money in this town. Might be that my work takes me out of town each day, I don't see the workings of the town each day as you may see it and I travel around town very infrequently as I'm tied to my home most of the time. Dunno

"If you are trying to say I am from the "ghetto" you are way off"

Nope, never said YOU were from the ghetto. I called the Section 8 program a ghetto builder. I singled out no one, just the program as a whole and the image it portrays.

"Do you never go to McDonalds, Subway or the mall? Ask around in your circle of friends, perhaps within your church,if none of them have ever been asked for money in Middletown?"

Nope, unfortunately not as much as I use to. When not working in Dayton, take care of my wife who is paralyzed. No time these days to "get out and see the sights".

"Make rent competitive??
You have no idea what you are talking about"

You may be right here. I am not familiar with the renter/Section 8 renter thing. Just trying to suggest an alternative for you to fill your homes with renters other than Section 8, that's all.

"Yes... when you remodel your properties you spend a lot of money..
And pay labor!"

But how often do you remodel? Every year? Every 3 years? Do your Section 8 people destroy your properties on a frequent basis? If so, why would you want to headaches?

"You forgot to mention the schools???
Parents look at that first!"

Oh, if you knew me and have read my posts, I NEVER forget the schools and their pathetic performance the last 3 decades. I'm a big proponent of abolishing it all and starting over with rebuilding the school district. I'm well aware of what the surrounding communities have to say about the Middletown schools and the low opinions people have nowadays. Wasn't like that in the 50's and 60's when I went through this system. Topnotch back then.   






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