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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Neil Barille Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov 01 2013 at 5:59pm
Marianne, they may respond....along with 5 or 6 other guys who have nothing else to do with their time.
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WOW acclaro, you sure are the fire service expert.  We should make you head of public safety  The fire dept makes almost 11,000 calls for service a year.  We don't ask for them, people call for all kinds of reasons.  Maybe 911 should be re-directed to your phone and you can decide who gets police or fire.
Don't blame cops and firefighters for the public expecting someone to repsond when they need help.  The public voted overwhelmingly to support police and fire.  Is it our fault that the people in power choose to spend money differently?  Remember Lake Middletown???  the roof over Central???  City leaders have wasted money before, don't act so shocked that it could be happening again. 
Do you really think JEMS could handle our call volume?  We already tax the mutual aid agreements with surrounding communities asking for help to cover calls for service.  Franklin already charges $400 a fire run, not long before others do the same.
 
I could on and on, but I know this will fall on deaf ears.  Know the facts, the REAL facts.  If the majority didn't value Public Safety, they would have voted that way.....TWICE!
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And for Neil Barille..... do you know why you might get 2 paramedics on an ambulance AND 3 firefighter/paramedics on a fire engine?  I didn't think so.  Don't speak like an expert or like you have all the answers when you don't.
How about you stop by a firehouse (you should know where they are since you know such about us) and ask a firefighter.  Ask the guys there how much money we save the city by testing our own equipment, when most fire departments don't do that anymore.  Ask about State mandated training we need to have.  Who do you think cleans the firehouses, cuts the grass, and shovels snow?  It's not the City, I can tell you that.
 
Sleep well knowing that there are police and firefighters in the city willing to risk their lives for YOU, and everyone else, regardless of who they are.....
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Nice of johnny and others to join the discussion every couple of years when it's levy time or budget cutting time. We don't hear a peep from them about anything else having to do with the city. Where do you live johnny?
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I'm going to stick my neck way out here but, it looks like some folks don't mention the fire and police any other time of the year either. They just take them for granted that they will be there when they need them. So if a few knowledgeable people want to express their opinion more power to them, it just might enlighten some of us.IMO
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  WEST CHESTER KETTERING 2011 MIDDLETOWN 2012 MIDDLETOWN* MONROE FRANKLIN MADISON
FD BUDGET FOR 2011 $10,741,929 $10,739,900 $9,706,684 $8,779,607 $3,689,430 $1,362,872 $640,000
Per capita $176 $191 $199 $181 $297 $116 $76
Cost per call $1,984 $1,393 $924 $836** $1,553 $1,603 $819
               
Authorized Personnel              
# of Civilian Personnel 3 4 1 1 0 0 0
# of Uniformed Personnel 66/73PT 54/56PT**** 81 72 35 7/25PT 40V/15PT
# of Administrative Personnel 9 4 4 4 2 1 2PT
# of Operation Personnel 60 96 78 69 33 6/25PT 40V/13PT
TOTAL AUTHORIZED PERSONNEL 142 114**** 82 73 35 32 55
               
SHIFT MAKEUP              
Max. # of Personnel on Shift 27 26/16**** 26 23 11 5 2
Min. # of Personnel on shift 23 20/12**** 19 16 7 4 2
Min. # Per capita (1,000) 0.38 .36/.21 .44 .33 0.46 0.08 .24
Min. # Per call (1,000) 2.35 2.59/1.56 1.81 1.52** 2.94 4.71 1.28
               
STAFFING              
Ambulance Staffing 2 2 2 2 2 0***** 2
Truck Staffing 2/3 3 3 3 2 or 3 3 0
Engine Staffing 3/4 3 3 3 2 or 3 3 0
               
# OF RESPONSES IN 2011            
Fire (Please refer to attachment) 1,605 2,098 1,992 1,992** 574 850 161
EMS 3,810 5,610 8,513 8,513** 1,802 0 620
TOTAL RESPONSES 5,415 7,708 10,505 10,505** 2,376 850 781
               
DEMOGRAPHICS:              
Area of City (Square Miles) 34.5 18.74 26 26 19.2*** 18***** 45
Population 60,958 56,163 48,694 48,694 12,422 11,771 8,448
# of Stations 5 6 5:4F, 1M 5:3F, 2M 2 1 3
               
MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME $86,328 $49,350 $38,461 $38,461 $68,655 $40,425 $61,056
               
Community Make-up by %:              
Residential 55.8% 66% 52% 52% 55% 60% 90%
Commercial/Industrial 23% 23% 48% 48% 30% 40% 10%
Other 21.20% 11%     15%    
               
Cross-trained personnel Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Provide both Fire & EMS response Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes No Yes
Privatized EMS No No No No No No No
Work Schedule 24/48* Varies**** 24/48 24/48 24/48 24/48 Vol/PT
Part-time Firefighter/Paramedic Yes Yes No No No Yes Yes
*West Chester part-time work 12 hours every third day or 24 every 6th day
**Middletown 2012 estimates using 2011 data
***Monroe data includes contractual service to Lemon Township
****Kettering 0700-1700 M-F/1700-0700 M-F + 24 hrs weekends. Does not include on-call personnel;
          includes 54 career personnel + 56 parttime; 17-24/48, 10-4/10, 56 - part-time "On-Call"
***** Franklin is currently working toward providing EMS to the City of Franklin.  This number is subject to change.
***** Franklin data includes contractual service to Franklin Township.
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MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME

$86,328

$49,350

$38,461

$38,461

$68,655

$40,425

$61,056

I believe that the stated Median Middletown Household Income clearly shows what our problem is really all about.

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Even with that median income the residents of Middletown are still getting the best bang for their buck compared to anyone around. Include that Fire brings in 36% of its budget through revenue which I just about guarantee no other fire dept in the state of ohio does.  Also Mayor Mulligans claim that income tax revenue is down is a flat out lie. Now it is not as high as they "projected" but it is not down as compared to past years its over that. The doom and gloom that they portray is not factual. 

Acclaro: just so you know fire and police increased their pension contributions in June and will do so again the next 2 years. Our members are not exempt from the financial downturn as you make us out to be.  
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As I have stated in the past I don't hide who I am when I post and am always willing to talk to anyone that has questions. 
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Mr. Klug, one thing that may hurt your cause is the very city that you all work for. Gilleland and company PROMISED that if we voted for the last safety levy, that that yes vote would MAINTAIN the workforce in the police and fire departments. The levy was approved under that premise. Now, we hear that they are planning to cut safety people. The city leaders have lied to us again. As the 60's group The Who say in their song.......we won't get fooled again. Do the city leaders care what their actions are doing to your levy winning chances?

Another issue that may be hurting your cause is the perception (or a fact for some) that the unions, be it fire, police or teacher's, is all about taking and not giving. All about iron-handed tactics at the bargaining table, all about non-concession when things aren't going right with the city finances. Be it factual or not, this perception is hurting you in the eyes of the public. Be it factual or not, when the public sees the fire truck parked at Kroger or Marsh, it hurts your cause. They think "goofing off" not "they're restocking the firehouse". PERCEPTION, Mr. Klug, be it real or imaginary, can be your enemy in winning over the public. How do you go about changing that perception to win over the people who question your actions?

My family needs the service you all provide. Your group have provided topnotch response to our 911 calls. HOWEVER, I'm torn between a yes vote due to the need and a no vote because the people have been lied to as to the retention of manpower and I just flat out don't trust the city. Their word is dirt. The people in the city building are your (our) worst enemy. But then, that shouldn't surprise any of us. They have lied to us before and will continue to do so.

The household income does look rather anemic compared to the other communities as Vivian's data pointed out. Again, shouldn't surprise any of us because the city leaders have made no effort to bring decent paying jobs to the city either.
I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over.
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The ONLY hope we will have for maintaining adequate public safety forces going forward is to elect council members who will make prudent fiscal decisions on ALL matters, not just public safety.
 
The ONLY person running today that has any ACTUAL record of even partially doing so is JOSH LAUBACH!!!
 
The others have only SAID they will do so at election time...but have NEVER actually done so!!!
 
If you REALLY believe in PUBLIC SAFETY for Middletown...Vote for Mr. LAUBACH!!!
“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Been hammered here lately by Danny Picard. Got a flyer on the old door handle the other day and a nice little card in the mail from Danny and Dora Bronston claiming they are the only ones supporting the safety folks. Also got a nice little pre-recorded phone call on Sunday from Danny telling me how he supports the safety people. Danny is working overtime to convince me to vote for him. But, alas, Danny is still Danny and a puppet for the all encompassing MMF. No thanks, Danny. Your track record proceeds you. You are one of the problems, not the solution. JMO
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Vet,
 
Agreed!!!
 
I was considering a vote for Ms. Bronston, UNTIL she teamed up with Mr. Picard!!!
 
I think that the best move is to vote for JOSH LAUBACH ONLY...and hope that the rest of council is smart enough (probably a longshot) to analyze the results and realize that a large number of the voters only cast ONE of their two possible votes...deciding instead to withhold their vote from ANY "in crowd, MMF, flunkie" candidate.
“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Got an older lady living next door. We have talked on occasion and she seems very nice. Next thing I know, she has two Mort signs in her yard. Wonder what happened to her? She seemed so reasonable.

Yep, I too was going to vote for Bronston. Then, when I saw she had teamed up with Danny, I kinda lost a little enthusiasm for her. I hate to go to the polls today and leave most of the ballot blank, but, for me, there really isn't very much to choose from. Guess Laubach comes the closest to agreement, but he still has some issues I disagree with him on. Sometimes, his statements in the paper support exactly what is wrong with this town. I am surprised at some of his positions on matters. Really not anyone on council nor school board that will offer what this town really needs IMO. No one to offset the common thinking pattern around here.
I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over.
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Vet,
Just because you can't find candidates as perfect as WE would be (LOL) doesn't mean you shouldn't vote!!!  Sometimes you just have to look for who is likely to do the least harm.
 
At least vote for Josh!!!  If you don't and he doesn't win, you'll be kicking yourself every first and third Tuesday for the next two years!!! 
“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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is Josh a tea partier? Just asking!!
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I will be voting for Josh and Ms, Bronston. Time to start to kick out the old guard.
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Get rid of Judy and Marty and the financial picture gets better.
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Bronston and Picard are going to save the 26 police and firemen's jobs. I received several phone calls days before the election stating so...I just hope they can crap Benjamin Franklins. LOL 
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Sure they can, after all the federal reserve is doing it as we speakLOL
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And so the union tactics win again.  More bloated staffing, more deficit spending, hello bankruptcy.  At least with a vote for the school bond issue we would actually have something to show for it.  Not now.

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Dan Picard pulled one out of Tony Marconni's old playbook - he got in bed with the unions.
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Right to Work will probably be on the ballot in Ohio for the next Fall Election. If that passes say goodbye to Union Power. Even though Unions won this battle, they are loosing the War.

-This is from the Columbus Dispatch Oct. 15th 2013

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Supporters of a proposed “right-to-work” issue on Ohio’s 2014 statewide ballot said they have gathered 100,000 signatures and plan a big push next month for more names.

Ohioans for Workplace Freedom said it has about 200 people collecting signatures of Ohio registered voters who want to vote on the issue next year as a citizen-initiated constitutional amendment. To get it on the ballot, the group must collect 385,247 valid signatures by next year, along with a minimum amount from 44 of 88 counties. The group estimates it will have to submit more than 500,000 names, to account for invalid signatures that are discarded.

“Right-to-work” has been a flashpoint for union members in Ohio since 1958, when citizens rejected a statewide initiative.

The proposal, if approved, would not eliminate unions but would ban mandatory union membership and the practice of allowing unions to assess nonunion members for union dues, or an equivalent.

The proposed amendment says, “No law, rule, agreement or arrangement shall require any person or employer to become or remain a member of a labor organization.” Similarly, no one could be forced to pay dues or an assessment as part of a labor agreement. Anyone who is “directly or indirectly affected or threatened by harm” as a result of violation could file civil legal action and receive payment for damages and attorney fees.

Bruce Hull, a Greene County man who is coordinator of the petition drive, said in an email that this year’s Nov. 5 election is “the perfect opportunity to make huge progress on right-to-work Ohio. ... Done right, I believe we can obtain 100,000 signatures in one day.”

He said that will require having 10 to 15 people gathering signatures in each Ohio county on Election Day. The group has backing largely from tea party affiliates and other conservative organizations.

Some state lawmakers have tried to spark interest for right-to-work legislation in the General Assembly. Bills have been introduced by Rep. Kristina Roegner, R-Hudson, and Rep. Ron Maag, R-Lebanon, addressing the public sector. However, legislative leaders, also Republicans, have shown little interest.

Democrats and unions, including the Ohio AFL-CIO, are pushing back hard, slamming the proposal as worse than Senate Bill 5, the public-sector collective-bargaining law Ohio voters rolled back in 2011.

The full text of the proposed amendment is available at:

www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/upload/ballotboard/ 2012/WF_SummaryFullText.pdf.


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This is part of a report I saw on WLWT 5 news Monday Nov. 4, 2013:
 

"Middletown tops the state in property crimes.Dead

Nationally, compared to other cities the same size, Middletown had the second-most burglaries, thefts, motor vehicle thefts and arsons, per capita.

Middletown reported 4,039 crimes against property last year.

Also, in both cities, police departments have been forced to make cuts. Middletown was down 17 officers; 21 in Hamilton.

"So we don't have as much discretionary patrol time where we can have officers out there in the community trying to suppress crime," Reeve said.

Although Middletown is number one in the state, its overall crime rate has dropped from the previous year by seven percent."

This report will certainly help our image and reputation. Council allowed Judy to lay off patrol officers earlier this year, even though we were just starting the fifth year of a five year levy that guarenteed no lay offs. Those lay offs brought the number of officers on the streets to the lowest number in about 50 years. Also, remember that every time they hired a patrol officer, another patrol officer moved up to Sgt. and a Sgt. up to Lt. Therefore MPD had more chiefs than indians, and the average officer in Middletown cost us more than any other average officer that I could find(including New York City). Thanks council and Judy for one more nail in the coffin of Middletown.

Oh, I almost forgot, Middletown was number 3 in the whole country for the most property crimes. Since the police don't answer their phone (other than 911) I would have to believe that the true crime nubers are much higher.
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